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See, @Golfman25 is a military expert. And a constitutional scholar. An economist par excellence. Smarter than any journalism professor at any of the evil “elite” universities he despises so much. Not to mention a virologist and infectious disease researcher that knows everything about COVID and the terrible vaccine Trump created but is terrible and shouldn’t be used.

In this downtime, he knows more about any former GOP politician that no longer supports Trump than you do, as they all apparently live down the street from him. Conveniently.

*He is also an expert on anything else you might want to post about. I have some data recovery engineering queries for him forthcoming. I am sure he knows more than I do. I should use that knowledge to my advantage. He is a giver.
I am definitely smarter than your sorry a$$.
 
To Golfman and OllieC,

It takes years to place equipment in foreign lands, how would any country return it home in a few weeks. No country brings back the weight from foreign lands. If the military brought back the equipment they would have to listen to you two complain about the waste of money to bring back old obsolete junk. I can hear the enlisted men complaining as I type, move it here, move it there, what a waste of my time, blah, blah. The price of "blowing it up to render it unusable" would be astronomical.

All the up-to-date, hard to source, pieces that make the equipment militarily effective would be gathered up and returned to supply depots or private parts stashes by the mechanics could keep their base equipment operational. Wouldn't even need orders. I find it laughable that you would think the military would leave equipment that could be used to shoot back

I'm glad you find the world humorous. Since we're making suggestions for each of our enrichment, I suggest you two find something to read and stay away from the soap operas.

Mike
You cannot be serious.
 
If we were sitting on the dock drinking beer, I would slow my speech and talk slower to you uber liberals, G, OC, and now highslice, I wouldn't want your brains to explode. Equipment was left in WWII, Korean War, Vietnam War, Afghan War. In each conflict equipment was left to surviving governments as we left, even some governments we didn't like.

In Korea, Vietnam and Afghanistan it was all left to the governments we were supporting. In the cases of Vietnam and Afghanistan the governments folded almost immediately after we left. The times were different but we probably left more equipment in Vietnam, 5ish billion in value to the 7ish billion in value we left in Afghanistan. It is hard to get an accounting of the equipment in Korea because they stayed power and the equipment is not counted as a loss.

A wonderful comedian, Kathleen Madigan, talks about her experience with Russian equipment left behind in Afghanistan.

Mike
 
So no discussion of US hostages which is the worse part?

As far as equipment - of course - why wouldn’t we leave our latest tech? Jim doesn’t mention that China now has our biometrics…..but hey, Biden appreciates the excuses you make for him.

A MOAB should have leveled that base. I would have been happier destroying that equipment instead of handing it over to the Taliban.



“The Taliban now has more Black Hawk helicopters than 85% of the countries in the world,” Congressman Jim Banks, a veteran, lamented. “But it's not just weapons. They have night vision goggles, body armor, and unbelievably, the Taliban now has biometric devices which have the fingerprints, eye scans and biographical information of all of the Afghans who helped us and were on our side over the last 20 years. There is no plan by the administration to get those weapons back. There is no plan to account for any of this equipment or these weapons.”
 
On the hostage front, there are hostages in Afghanistan. Yes, the US is working on the problem. There are a 175 US citizens in Afghanistan of which it is reported 44 are know to want to leave. That is a recent number but always changing.

I'm amazed that you quote politicians, particularly partisan politicians. Congressmen Banks and Hudson have been back pedalling from those numbers whenever asked to clarify. Congressman Banks is down to stating that hyperbole is necessary to show how haphazardly the withdrawal was.

Their statement, that the Taliban have more Blackhawk helicopters than 85% of the nations is true, mainly because more than 85% of the nations don't have Blackhawks. There is a lot of chatter about the number left in Afghanistan and even more about the number that could actually fly then and how many can fly now. American equipment is not the best for most of the world. The parts are hard to get and it takes a very detailed maintenance regime to keep the equipment running.

The actual number of Blackhawks in Afghanistan is unknown. 6 is the highest number of flyable Blackhawks I could find from a credible source. Another site said there is only proof that one can fly now and they believed if there were 2 they would have flown together.

OllieC, I agree that it was a messy, sloppy withdrawal from a place we shouldn't have been, in the first place. What would you have done differently?

Mike
 
On the hostage front, there are hostages in Afghanistan. Yes, the US is working on the problem. There are a 175 US citizens in Afghanistan of which it is reported 44 are know to want to leave. That is a recent number but always changing.

I'm amazed that you quote politicians, particularly partisan politicians. Congressmen Banks and Hudson have been back pedalling from those numbers whenever asked to clarify. Congressman Banks is down to stating that hyperbole is necessary to show how haphazardly the withdrawal was.

Their statement, that the Taliban have more Blackhawk helicopters than 85% of the nations is true, mainly because more than 85% of the nations don't have Blackhawks. There is a lot of chatter about the number left in Afghanistan and even more about the number that could actually fly then and how many can fly now. American equipment is not the best for most of the world. The parts are hard to get and it takes a very detailed maintenance regime to keep the equipment running.

The actual number of Blackhawks in Afghanistan is unknown. 6 is the highest number of flyable Blackhawks I could find from a credible source. Another site said there is only proof that one can fly now and they believed if there were 2 they would have flown together.

OllieC, I agree that it was a messy, sloppy withdrawal from a place we shouldn't have been, in the first place. What would you have done differently?

Mike
Oh Mike…expect some righteous memes incoming!!!!
 
I am trying to help you, but first you have to help yourself. But keep trolling.
I’ve never seen you avoid a topic before. Oh, except for my question the other day about presidential immunity. I would like your take as a constitutional scholar on that one, should you find a free moment.

Kind of to the point of the Mark Cuban tweet, if SCOTUS rules Trump enjoys presidential immunity for anything he did while office, the same would apply to Biden, right? So why would would Biden ever leave office? If there is no consequence in attempting to do so, why not??? Declare himself immune, as his “presidential duties” clearly allow him to stay in office if he decides(and believes…) the election is rigged. And he doesn’t even need to show evidence? Genius!!!

Trump showed him how to do it!

Thoughts?
 
If we were sitting on the dock drinking beer, I would slow my speech and talk slower to you uber liberals, G, OC, and now highslice, I wouldn't want your brains to explode. Equipment was left in WWII, Korean War, Vietnam War, Afghan War. In each conflict equipment was left to surviving governments as we left, even some governments we didn't like.

In Korea, Vietnam and Afghanistan it was all left to the governments we were supporting. In the cases of Vietnam and Afghanistan the governments folded almost immediately after we left. The times were different but we probably left more equipment in Vietnam, 5ish billion in value to the 7ish billion in value we left in Afghanistan. It is hard to get an accounting of the equipment in Korea because they stayed power and the equipment is not counted as a loss.

A wonderful comedian, Kathleen Madigan, talks about her experience with Russian equipment left behind in Afghanistan.

Mike
Uber liberal, me? What do think of that @Cdillerud? Mike, I think you are mistaken.
 
I’ve never seen you avoid a topic before. Oh, except for my question the other day about presidential immunity. I would like your take as a constitutional scholar on that one, should you find a free moment.

Kind of to the point of the Mark Cuban tweet, if SCOTUS rules Trump enjoys presidential immunity for anything he did while office, the same would apply to Biden, right? So why would would Biden ever leave office? If there is no consequence in attempting to do so, why not??? Declare himself immune, as his “presidential duties” clearly allow him to stay in office if he decides(and believes…) the election is rigged. And he doesn’t even need to show evidence? Genius!!!

Trump showed him how to do it!

Thoughts?
Not taking your bait, troll. You don’t care about an honest discussion.
 
Not taking your bait, troll. You don’t care about an honest discussion.
I do want your opinion. But, ok.

I assume, should SCOTUS rule in favor of Trump, that you will have no issue with Biden or any other future president enjoying that same immunity?

I do wonder what crime Trump thinks he needs immunity from being prosecuted for, exactly? He said he did nothing wrong. Why would he NEED immunity, @Golfman25? Should be super easy to be found innocent if he didn't do anything wrong. Any jury in any jurisdiction should find him innocent if he truly is innocent. So why the need for immunity? Teach me more.
 
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