Helm electrical switch lamp replacement

Dave M.

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Oct 9, 2006
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Hermiston, OR
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OK, struggled with the topic name. I will show photos of how to disassemble the helm toggle switches of the vintage I have, and replace the lamp if need be.

First up, a photo of a typical switch after it has been removed from the switch panel. This switch is lighted, and a couple of mine would not light when the switch was turned on.



You just press in on the side clips to get it out of the panel. Pry sideways on the middle side of the cap to pop it off. If you had to buy a new switch, and could not match color and style, you might be able to use your old cap on the new switch.

With the rocker cap off, you can take a look at the lamp and see if the filament looks OK or not. The bulb is a T 1 /14 lamp, and seems to be held in place, sealing the switch, with an o-ring. So let's take a look. The next photo left is a closeup of the lamp. You can see the filament. It looks good, and in fact is good. The bulb is not burned out, there is some other problem. So take a sharp knife, and pry the top half of the switch away from the bottom half. Just release the clips on each side, it comes apart easily. The photo on right below is looking back up into the top of the switch. Note that there are 4 parts here that will try and escape to freedom when you pop the switch apart, so be prepared. They are: 2 connections springs, one plastic rocker arm, and the metal moving contact. The first rocker arm with roller end is seen in the right photo. Nice!! Like having roller rockers in your rat!



So above, you can see the wires from the lamp. (You can click on the image for a larger view) They go to two of four possible wire termination attachment points. When the springs jump out, and you don't know where from, just look here to see where they need to be. The springs make the electrical connection from the terminals at the bottom of the switch to the lamp wire leads.

The next two photos are looking down into the bottom of the switch assembly. The contact bar is missing in these photos. But measurements with an ohmmeter showed lack of contact between one of the springs and the contact lead that it should push against.



Looking closely at the bottom of the spring, which you can almost but not quite do in the right photo, I could see that the spring ends with the spring wire cut cleanly. This leaves the turn of the spring immediately adjacent to it with a wire thickness of air gap from what ever the end rests on. The contact lead extending under the spring did not cover the whole are, and it was possible for the spring to turn so the very end sat on plastic, not metal. The wire thickness is apparently about the same as the contact metal thickness, so no contact was assured, and none was made. Turning the spring in the hole fixed the problem.

One switch lamp fixed. :thumbsup:
 
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The next problem I tackled was the stern facing anchor light not lighting. I had already found the light itself to be good. I had already made a diagram of how I thought the nav switch worked, but had never seen inside to verify it. My wiring diagram did not agree with how I found the wired terminated on the nav switch, and I did not know which was correct. What better reason to take apart the switch!:grin:




I had deduced that the switch internally had to be three pole in order to provide electrical connections in all three positions. What I found was that it was a double pole, with one of the positions a double throw. Also, the double pole switch contactor moving strip was not straight, but had bias built into it so it did not operate at the same time as the other. The single pole one operates when moving to the anchor position, the double pole one operates when moving to the run position.

End result, the schematic I had drawn before was not physically identical to the switch, but electrically the same. Checking the wiring then was easier, and I found two wire leads to the switch were reversed. I must have done it to myself a year or two ago, and just discovered it. Changed those, and problem solved. :thumbsup:

The switch contacts are in fine shape, by the way.
 
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The next switch I tackled was one that really did have a burned out lamp filament. Looking at the picture below, you can see it is totally gone.

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So I had to try and figure out what a replacement bulb was, as I suspected this could happen again. I ended up ordering a bulb with part no. as shown in the photo. i got ten, as they are cheap. Here is a photo of the bulbs in a plastic pkg.

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Taking out a bulb and checking the fit, I found the glass part was just fine. However, the leads were only about an inch long and slightly smaller diameter than those of the original. So, I justed diked the leads off the original and soldered them to a replacement. With that, putting it back together went fine.

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Last lamp/switch problem for now fixed.:thumbsup:
 
Isn't it nice when you can fix something instead of having to buy a replacement? Great photo's and nice soldering job! I usually get a chunk of solder the size of a baseball on just about everything I solder. Better solder up some spares for the San Juans! Maybe you can fix others while you're there, for a small fee of course!
 
Better solder up some spares for the San Juans! Maybe you can fix others while you're there, for a small fee of course!

Well, I have 9 lamps left. Just let me know I should bring the soldering iron.:thumbsup:

I think the small fee would be about $1, the rough cost of the bulb. No sense charging for my labor, I am retired and I only have "spare time" anyway.

Maybe tack on the cost of the service call; haul the boat and soldering iron to the San Juans, motor on out to where the client boat is located, make the repair. return home. I think $500 should cover it. :grin:
 
Well, I have 9 lamps left. Just let me know I should bring the soldering iron.:thumbsup:

I think the small fee would be about $1, the rough cost of the bulb. No sense charging for my labor, I am retired and I only have "spare time" anyway.

Maybe tack on the cost of the service call; haul the boat and soldering iron to the San Juans, motor on out to where the client boat is located, make the repair. return home. I think $500 should cover it. :grin:

Don't forget to sea trial the lamp after you install it :grin:
 
Great post. Thanks a million for the information. I am sure all members of this forum truly appreciate the time you took to document this servicing. Thank you!
 
Great post. Thanks a million for the information. I am sure all members of this forum truly appreciate the time you took to document this servicing. Thank you!
Thank you! It is always good to get feedback on whether a post like this is useful to anyone else. I am afflicted with ODD, obsessive disassembly disorder. Not much of a problem, I just wish I could get the admiral to say the letters individually when she is talking to me.:smt089
 
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Great post. Thanks a million for the information. I am sure all members of this forum truly appreciate the time you took to document this servicing. Thank you!
I do, great post Dave
 
Well, I have 9 lamps left. Just let me know I should bring the soldering iron.:thumbsup:

I think the small fee would be about $1, the rough cost of the bulb. No sense charging for my labor, I am retired and I only have "spare time" anyway.

Maybe tack on the cost of the service call; haul the boat and soldering iron to the San Juans, motor on out to where the client boat is located, make the repair. return home. I think $500 should cover it. :grin:

That's probably about the going rate! The only difference is that they would charge you for a new switch, because that's faster, easier and cheaper for them. Great post! I wish I had those fancy switches (read, wish my boat was NEWER!).
 
I realize this is an old thread but it is a great one and should not get lost.

I had 2 blown bulbs on my switches for the water pressure pump and the depth sounder. I replaced the bulbs as Dave M demonstrated and they now work great. The only problem I had was the bulbs I ordered (T1 1/4) were a bit smaller than my stock bulbs. I am not sure if I have different switches than Dave M or if the guys sent me the wrong bulbs. They still worked out ok. I did have to solder on longer leads just as Dave M demonstrated.

Dave M was helpful in pointing me in the right direction for a source to order the bulbs also. Thanks a bunch.

John
 
John, good to hear you got them replaced and working. I remember looking at the rubber grommet that surrounds the bulb and wondering if it were anything special to withstand the heat of the bulb when on. I may have replaced one or more, you could do the same, and maybe get a tighter fit with a newer or fatter 0-ring. I think it provides for some waterproofing of the inside of the switch.

I realize now is not the time to mention this, now that yours are all back together. :smt001
 

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