MonacoMike
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It’s hard not to miss the sound of the crickets want a question like this is asked.
POTUS caught a flu
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It’s hard not to miss the sound of the crickets want a question like this is asked.
Why the name calling? I would think we could stay above that level.
I was answering the statement that spread and death could be slowed (and the economy largely preserved) by giving the example of Germany. There are numerous other examples. There are also studies of how the US might have done better as well. I believe the issues are absolutely debatable if one has an open mind. I am weary of those with the smug know it all attitude that they only know the truth but fail to recognize any other evidence or opinion.
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Fraidy cats; those in fear. The kind of people that are afraid rather than rational. Every decision is made from fear. That is a definition of a big slice of people, particularly relating to covid. Even though covid is about one-fifth the death rate of the 1957-58 Asian flu and one-third that of the 1968-70 Hong Kong flu people today have fear our grandparents did not have.
Part of this is our affluence has allowed us to become insulated from risk, to raise children in risk free environments and cheat them of learning risk. When we need to work for tomorrow’s food today lockdown is not an option...
Part of this is our affluence has allowed us to become insulated from risk, to raise children in risk free environments and cheat them of learning risk. When we need to work for tomorrow’s food today lockdown is not an option...
I agree completely. I think we may disagree on the way to make it better. As a business owner, I'm absolutely concerned about the economic impact of the virus. I don't believe demand is going to come back until the populace feels safe in participating in the economy. Universal social distancing and face masking helps a lot in instilling that feeling, seeing the obverse degrades it. It's troubling that the some of the most vocal critics of masking and social distancing also want the economy to come back immediately but I think those notions are incompatible.
But, getting the numbers down just as much if not more important in instilling the feeling of safety that is key to restoring the economy. The number of infections is not as relevant as the the rates of hospitalizations and death. Contact tracing based on wide testing is also important but as we have seen can easily be overwhelmed by large numbers.
Certainly the emergence of powerful therapies, if they pan out, ought to also encourage the population. We've already see some of that; let's hope it continues.
I'm not a big proponent of sweeping government mandates. It used to be a tenet of conservatism that regulation was generally not needed since the population would recognize and then conform to the right thing to do. I think that has somewhat broken down. I would attribute that to poor leadership and I'm not pointing that at either side as both are to blame. I believe we need to be led towards consensus then all pull together; let's hope that happens.
I'm afraid we are going into the winter months in a very poor posture compared to other countries and will suffer a large resurgence as a result; that will further hurt the economy. We may already be seeing that as the number of new infections reached its highest level since early August yesterday. Let's hope I'm wrong about that as well but I believe it bears watching.
I'm sure your saw or heard this in an echo chamber but it's 100% untrue. On a death divided by population basis, covid is already twice as deadly as the Hong Kong flu and one-third more deadly than the Asian flu. That's to date and the comparison is guaranteed to get worse. The deaths for both flus were recorded over two or more years. We don't know the rate of deaths to infections or even cases for the flus but it had to be much lower since there were no lockdowns or testing.
I'll admit to being somewhat afraid when going into combat or other dangerous military evolutions. It's a healthy instinct to a large degree. We actively sought to get rid of the guys who recklessly acted like they had no fear before they became too much of a danger to themselves or the rest of us.
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of course they matter ! thats why more or less all countries try to balance between 'acceptable' deaths and the social and economical impact on the whole society .
wearing masks and social distancing without a full lockdown is imho an acceptable 'price' for you and me to slow down the spread and save lives even when you can,t fully stop it .
i,m not in a high risk group but suffer from business losses , i am not happy about this all for sure .
covid extremists and covid denier are both plain stupid imho - the best option is in the middle to go thru this .
You do realize most people are social distancing and wearing masks. It's only the media who like to perpetuate the narrative that people aren't complying.
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Funny I hear people on here saying they put a mask on go into Walmart then take it of right away as wearing a mask is a violation of their rights. The anti maskers love posting videos of them in stores like Target pulling masks off of people and destroying mask displays.
If Trump had mandated a federal mask proposal they probally would not be trying to injure people and everyone would have a standard playing field. But Trump has failed to adopt a nation Covid-19 plan of action, a failure that has cost lives.
Hogwash. Only a King can adopt a "federal mask proposal." And they keep telling me he's not a king. So which one is it. Please pick a lane.
And I have never seen any video of anti maskers pulling masks off people and destroying mask displays. And even if I did, that's not what the vast majority of people are doing. The vast majority of people are just going about their business. Wake up.
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The virus is too small to be captured by the current paper or cloth masks. This virus from China was engineered to destroy and got loose some how.
You will:
Get the virus and have no problems
Get the virus and have cold,flu type symptoms
Get the virus and get very sick but live
Get the virus and die
You may slow it but you wont stop it.As far as the so called second wave coming, that I believe is engineered by the Democrats.
In the 8 years of Democratic control how many people died from disease? Now with a Republican in office the Democrats blame the Republicans.
And the witch Pelosi should be removed for incompetence using any means .
You will:
Get the virus and have no problems
Get the virus and have cold,flu type symptoms
Get the virus and get very sick but live
Get the virus and die
You may slow it but you wont stop it.As far as the so called second wave coming, that I believe is engineered by the Democrats.
In the 8 years of Democratic control how many people died from disease? Now with a Republican in office the Democrats blame the Republicans.
And the witch Pelosi should be removed for incompetence using any means .
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You just chose to ignore the video do a search on anti maskers.
The federal government has the power to adopt a mask mandate but Trump has done nothing absolutely nothing well he did pit state against state in buying ventilators.
Yep, all those ventilators the "experts" told us we needed. Oh wait.
And post the video. Even a search didn't bring it up.
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There was a shortage states started loaning their ventilators to other states you probally forgot that.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...Vaw3qk-zF7E_X1jBSAXffOk5T&cshid=1602359463806
Your very lazy a search of anti maskers brings up a lot of video.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.we...a-target-chanting-take-off-your-mask/34043660
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/anti-mask-costco-and-target-shoppers-throw-tantrums-viral-videos-2020-7?amp
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You said there were videos of anti maskers pulling masks off people. Running thru the store yelling "take off your mask" is hardly pulling masks off people.
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You should have read the article.
Then we have the guy in Florida that pulled a gun on a guy in a wheel chair when the guy asked him to move away from him because he didn't have a mask. The 28 year old is facing some serious charges.
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My copy of the constitution doesn’t contain a clause about mandated mask wear. It does say the things not listed were reserved to the states but liberals don’t like that...
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As I've said before you are against masks and who cares I sure don't. Dullard
Still not a video of anti maskers pulling off peoples masks. And all these stories are simply one off spread by social media. In the real world 90% of the people are just going about their business.
This guy was going to pull the mask off someone else, at least he said he was as he was being carried out by his son like a toddler.
