How To Replace and Improve the Sea Ray Systems Monitor

Saverio said:
can something similar be done with a gmi 20 Garmin?
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Skybolt is the resident Garmin expert.

But...and this is a big BUT...

A lot of the programming is accomplished through the Maretron Display (DSM410 or DSM 570). This is good because everything you need to program and adjust settings is permanently installed on your boat. The other option is to buy a programming device (USB100) and use a laptop.

For this particular application, I think of the display and the remote interface unit as a complete system replacement for the Sea Ray Monitor. The display would go in the same place as the current sea ray monitor.
 
dtfeld said:
Skybolt is the resident Garmin expert.

But...and this is a big BUT...

A lot of the programming is accomplished through the Maretron Display (DSM410 or DSM 570). This is good because everything you need to program and adjust settings is permanently installed on your boat. The other option is to buy a programming device (USB100) and use a laptop.

For this particular application, I think of the display and the remote interface unit as a complete system replacement for the Sea Ray Monitor. The display would go in the same place as the current sea ray monitor.
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Thanks Dave! @dtfeld

@Saverio I currently use two GMI 20's for my engine gauges. Unfortunately they are not really configurable for system monitoring PGN's. You really do need to use something like the Maretron DSM410. You can configure everything through the display but it takes a while. You really need to add the USB100 or IPG100 into the mix for programming the RIM100(s). But for actually getting alarms and the like, Maretron does a really nice job of all that. I have two of these displays one is dedicated as a system monitor and it cycles through a few screens constantly every few seconds, works great for this.
 
bbwhitejr said:
When one of you “brains” runs out of things to do, I will finance the deal for someone to show me how to do this….electronics ain’t my thing….I do enjoy reading about it though…

Bennett
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Drinking a beer on your back porch might entice me to make that "long" walk across the parking lot to help!
 
bbwhitejr said:
When one of you “brains” runs out of things to do, I will finance the deal for someone to show me how to do this….electronics ain’t my thing….I do enjoy reading about it though…

Bennett
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i would do this in a minute of my Systems Monitor quit. But the screen is still working and the sensors appear to be functioning properly so I’m not fixing what isn’t broken! Now watch… it will die this season!
 
I'm late to the party here but this thread is intriguing. I just purchased a 10 580 DA. The attached photo shows the systems monitor which is inoperative. Is that unit a candidate for the replacement mentioned in this post?

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jlanka said:
I'm late to the party here but this thread is intriguing. I just purchased a 10 580 DA. The attached photo shows the systems monitor which is inoperative. Is that unit a candidate for the replacement mentioned in this post?

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Yes
 
Pirate Lady said:
My SeaRay monitoring system. Works great. Never fails. KISS.
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until your boat is 15-20 years old. That’s where this thread comes from. The original Systems monitor was late 90s into the 2000s. Those devices are failing from age, environment.

Also, the systems monitor isn’t an engine gauge. this isn’t about monitoring engine performance, volts, fuel levels, temp (although oil pressure is monitored). It’s about monitoring bilge pumps and other systems.
 
scooper321 said:
until your boat is 15-20 years old. That’s where this thread comes from. The original Systems monitor was late 90s into the 2000s. Those devices are failing from age, environment.

Also, the systems monitor isn’t an engine gauge. this isn’t about monitoring engine performance, volts, fuel levels, temp (although oil pressure is monitored). It’s about monitoring bilge pumps and other systems.
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Actually with the Maretron DSM displays (the 410 in particular) you can monitor anything that is on the NMEA2000 backbone. For me I stared out replacing the led system monitor board which also had engine and generator parameters on it. My system monitor now has bilge pump, lighting and engine/generator warnings on it as well. That's the nice thing about NMEA2000 it can pretty much be what you want it too by just adding more sensors etc.
 
Can I replace the older LED monitor on my '89 440CV and use the existing inputs with this system. Currently has a multiconductor with a 25 pin DB connector to the board that feeds the LED displays. Really old...
 
440 Jim said:
Can I replace the older LED monitor on my '89 440CV and use the existing inputs with this system. Currently has a multiconductor with a 25 pin DB connector to the board that feeds the LED displays. Really old...
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Yes you can. You need to verify which wire to that connector does what and is it positive or negative when the monitored device comes on. Easy testing. Some devices like generators not only supply the monitor wire but also the power wire and both of those wires need to be used; take a look at my schematic drawing which shows an example. What you won't necessarily need is ignition power....
 
440 Jim said:
Can I replace the older LED monitor on my '89 440CV and use the existing inputs with this system. Currently has a multiconductor with a 25 pin DB connector to the board that feeds the LED displays. Really old...
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@440 Jim, I did that a few years back. There should be terminal blocks behind the helm that the LED panel connects to. That is where the RIM100 can be connected too. All of the outputs are labeled and most are 12v. There are engine and generator alarms there as well and they float. So those will need power to be provided at the RIM100.
 
Thanks for the confirmation. Yes,I have the pcb terminal board that the 25pin connects to behind the helm. And the boat cutout with the LEDs top starboard helm. I thought I could use thos inputs off that board,all is still labeled and legible. Very nostalgic, takes me back to my earlier years as a geek.
I am just now familiarizing my self with the buss system as we are planning some upgrades, currently running an older Garmin and Navionics.

Thank again Guys, I appreciate it!
 
440 Jim said:
Thanks for the confirmation. Yes,I have the pcb terminal board that the 25pin connects to behind the helm. And the boat cutout with the LEDs top starboard helm. I thought I could use thos inputs off that board,all is still labeled and legible. Very nostalgic, takes me back to my earlier years as a geek.
I am just now familiarizing my self with the buss system as we are planning some upgrades, currently running an older Garmin and Navionics.

Thank again Guys, I appreciate it!
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On the NMEA 2000 buss - look to the future of your boat and where you would like it to evolve to both for what you want to add on the network but to also obsolescence and failures. Almost all marine electronics are using NMEA 2000. Route the NMEA 2000 backbone to accommodate that growth and expansion. For example I routed my backbone cabling from the bridge roof to the helm and put tees there then down through starboard side solon and put a tees there, then to the starboard side of the engine room and installed more tees, then over to the port side, more tees, and up to the circuit breaker panel in the solon where there are more tee interfaces. My boat has evolved to need and use all of these points. Secondly, use a quality NMEA 2000 cable for the backbone; spend the money on that. I think Maretron makes the best cabling for a backbone. Here you can see how mine has evolved and I didn't have to replace any component of the backbone cabling; the backbone is the blue line snaking through the boat.
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@ttmott -Tom, thanks for the great diagrams! Could you tell me the man-hours this took and a ROM of the cost? I'm more worried about the man-hours! I might not have enough left!
 
carterchapman said:
@ttmott -Tom, thanks for the great diagrams! Could you tell me the man-hours this took and a ROM of the cost? I'm more worried about the man-hours! I might not have enough left!
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Hopefully you have more than six manhours left Carter; that's about what it took me to route and secure the backbone cabling throughout the boat. I basically followed the other cable routing paths. Most of that time was taking the boat apart to access areas then putting it back together.
 
ttmott said:
Hopefully you have more than six manhours left Carter; that's about what it took me to route and secure the backbone cabling throughout the boat. I basically followed the other cable routing paths. Most of that time was taking the boat apart to access areas then putting it back together.
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Wow! The few times I've had to route an antenna wire and look in that rat's nest of wires on the port side of my helm leading down has just really discouraged me me!

Thanks @ttmott!
 
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