honda generator

celicagt33 said:

I was wondering if anyone knows if a honda eu3000is generator is enough to power the ac? If so, what else could this generator power while the ac is on? Dont know if this matters but I have a 96 sea ray sundancer 270.

thanks for the help in advance!

eddie

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Depends on the size of the AC. I had a Honda 2000 on my Regal 2465 and had no problem running a 10K AC only unit (no reverse cycle heat). A friend had a 16K reverse cycle on his Silverton and it was spotty at best. Sometimes it would work. Sometimes it would not. It never would when the quiet cycle switch was on.

My water heater was dual source, electric and manifold waste heat. I could run the heater or the AC, not both.

HTH

You guys really amuse me. I've been a member here long enough to thoroughly search and read almost every thread on this generator controversy. Is it any coincidence that like 90% of the people who ridicule those who even mention the words "portable generators" are the 30' + or larger boat owners who are all set with their built in gen sets? You sound like a bunch of elitists who look down on anyone who's got a smaller boat but wants the same comforts and conveniences as you guys do on your larger boats.

I've never voiced my opinion on any of these genny threads out of respect and desiring to mind my own business. But this poor guy who started this post with a legitimate question is a brand new member and cheerfully decided to ask a fair question and you guys jump on him like an insensitive bunch of elitist asses! Most boats smaller than 30' don't have built in gen sets including mine. I've owned larger boats with built in gennys so I've been from both sides. It'd be interesting to know how many of you anti-porta generator guys have ever owned or used a portable generator? There's an old saying, if you don't know what you're talking about, keep your mouth shut.

Any internal combustion engine in the world is capable of killing you. That includes your built in gen sets. However any engine is safe if used in accordance with it's manufacture and design and with a certain degree of common sense. Thousands and thousands of Honda generators (and similar models) have been purchased over the years for people on smaller boats for them to enjoy the same benefits that you guys have. I just googled "deaths from portable generators on boats"and all the top results were regarding the many controversies from the many boating forum threads. Incredible.

Why is it such a volatile subject with you guys? Do you get all bent out of shape when you see a smoker with a cigarette? I'm sure someone could (and probably will) find a freak incident on line where people were stupid and used a porta genny irresponsibly and died. I could as easily find you news stories where people died in their cars running their engines in the garageor something similar. I've used my Honda 2000i generator the way itwas intended to be used and with a reasonable amount of common senselike careful downwind placement and making sure that there's nodanger of electrical exposure to water. With my generator we're ableto enjoy what you guys enjoy, hot coffee in the morning, microwaveoven, phone charger and many other comforts of home.

The common sense factor applys to the fact that we run most of our electrical appliances off our inverter, especially night time TV and any other longer term power usage. We use the porta-genny mainly to charge the batteries in the morning and to use the coffee maker. But interestingly, I use the very same common sense procedures as I did when I had the larger boat with the built in gen set. I'd never run it while I was in the bunk any more than I'd idle the car while I was sleeping in a rest area. And perhaps more interesting, I see all summer long quite a few of the bigger boats running their gen sets all night while they're sleeping. They must think that becasue their gen set is built in they're safe from CO! Better them than me. CO is CO....Exhaust is exhaust! Dead is dead!

There are plenty of us guys who choose to have a smaller boat for a variety of reasons, ie: my marina won't even accommodate a boat over 35' even for gas. Or maybe we like trailering our boats and pull our boats home and do our own mechanical work when needed. With such a short boating season here in upstate New York, these are reasons that I've chosen an under 30' vessel. However, I want all the comforts I had with the larger boat. A porta genny allows me and thousands of others to have this luxury in the size of boat that suits our needs.

Until I see where deaths that are directly attributed to CO from portable generators becomes noticeable on the news over the course of a boating season like the deaths I read in the news every season about people drowning while swimming, people losing limbs being hit by props, diving off cliffs and breaking their necks and crashing their cars on the way home from their day of boating due to texting, I'll maintain my stance.

Reading all the posts of discontent about these generators, I feel compelled to wonder if it bothers the large boat owners with their built in gen sets that we small boat owners have the same comforts onboard as they do yet many of us paid a fraction of the price they did for their boats? Yet we're on the same bodies of water, the same marinas living the same life? Sounds ridiculous, I know, but I find it really hard to believe that all the saracastic discontented posts are just because you care for our lives?!

Last word, you don't like portable generators? Don't use them! Until you can show where they kill people in situations other than in "freak and rare incidents" maybe you should turn your energy into something more useful. In the meantime, next time you see a post from someone with a legitimate question about a portable generator, remember, there are some of us who would like to read it and maybe even offer some good insight on the question asked instead of seeing the poor guy get attacked and mauled like a piece of raw meat in a lions den.Speaking for myself only, hearing your same old rants about the subject is not what the poster was looking for. And to tell him to do a search because it's a common question is useless because every thread that comes up on a search on this forum about porta-generators has the same rants from the same people! Next time, please pass the post by!

I guess the BOC boys are bored and looking for some fun?

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That could be true, I know for a fact that they lurk over on here. :smt024

I stored my 1000w genny in the engine bay on the 30ft Sea Ray. :grin:

The bug bomb did more damage to me than running the genny at anchored. :smt021

Powderfinger said:

...insensitive bunch of elitist asses!

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You need to go pick up your grievances with a protest sign down on Wall Street... Put "Big boat guys suck" on your sign and hold it up high.

PS. You have an ugly boat.

Powderfinger said:

You guys really amuse me. I've been a member here long enough to thoroughly search and read almost every thread on this generator controversy. Is it any coincidence that like 90% of the people who ridicule those who even mention the words "portable generators" are the 30' + or larger boat owners who are all set with their built in gen sets? You sound like a bunch of elitists who look down on anyone who's got a smaller boat but wants the same comforts and conveniences as you guys do on your larger boats.

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Bob & Sue said:

I still believe you can mount it in the cockpit or transom and adapt a nice all Chrome Kenworth exhaust system to it.

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Powderfinger,
I totally agree with you my post was a shot of dry humor to show how ridiculous some of it sounds as long as the gasses are expelled correctly I would and will use a small genny if I need to. I don't need any warnings I just need good advice on any subject we all are ignorant on certain issues the only way to learn is to ask and make an informed decision.

Four Suns said:

You need to go pick up your grievances with a protest sign down on Wall Street... Put "Big boat guys suck" on your sign and hold it up high.

PS. You have an ugly boat.

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Heeeee's Baaaaaack

I also have to admit this portable generator bias is a bit crazy. That little 2000 Honda on the swim platform will put out the same CO as the built in genny in the bilge. It is just as quiet but could get wet if a big wave comes along! Safer place may be on the bow pulpit with no cabin windows open. I would not do this in a raftup and I would not sleep with a genny running unless it was real hot or cold and had two CO monitors. Personally I don't like to listen to any genny run while I'm relaxing. I use shorepower to charge my batteries and use an inverter if I need 110V and the AC does not run on that. My 454 produces good hot water so I'm good with that also. I'm not planning on needing or buying a 2000 but they work well. The 3000 would be too big!...Mike.

Well said powderfinger.

Who said there's was a bias against small boat owners? there's plenty of options besides the honda generator. In fact there's a whole industry dedicated to marine generators both large and small. But no one wants to talk about doing it right, just cheap. cheap comes at a price, and that price is usually safety. CO is just one of many problems.

celicagt33 said:

I was wondering if anyone knows if a honda eu3000is generator is enough to power the ac? If so, what else could this generator power while the ac is on? Dont know if this matters but I have a 96 sea ray sundancer 270.

thanks for the help in advance!




eddie

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eddie we boat in the west on the dam system on the colorado river. we have a honda 2000.

it is quite common in this part of the world to use these genset both with boats and house boats.
yes it is also common, once a year or so for a house boat genset,marine and factory install to fail and poison the occupants.

in the 230 we have a honda 2000 that fits nicely between the port gunnel and seat in the cock pit.

we set it on the swim platform as we almost always anchor stern in. we run it about 2 hrs a day and this is enough to keep the batteries charged.

to answer your question. the 3000 would be pretty bulky to move but should run the ac. might be better to get two of the 2000 and run one as needed and or both for the ac.

Powderfinger said:

Last word, you don't like portable generators? Don't use them! Until you can show where they kill people in situations other than in "freak and rare incidents" maybe you should turn your energy into something more useful. In the meantime, next time you see a post from someone with a legitimate question about a portable generator, remember, there are some of us who would like to read it and maybe even offer some good insight on the question asked instead of seeing the poor guy get attacked and mauled like a piece of raw meat in a lions den.Speaking for myself only, hearing your same old rants about the subject is not what the poster was looking for. And to tell him to do a search because it's a common question is useless because every thread that comes up on a search on this forum about porta-generators has the same rants from the same people! Next time, please pass the post by!

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thank you for taking the time to post this.
i agree with you. you do a good job of bring to light some predigests that do exist on this forum.


BY THE BY, JIM. will you be having your group buy option again this spring on honda gensets?

Regardless of your pissing match I still call Bull Shi@t on the post. Somebody brought up the porta-genny posts on another topic and poof all of a sudden we have a new topic! Imagine that?

Actually, this post has me thinking. Those big trawler guys have real gas cooking stoves in their boats. They are obviously arrogant a$$es and I should not be deprived of having a Viking range in my galley and a 14' yacht tender on the roof. Who do they think they are! They don't want me to enjoy the simple pleasures of a pan-seared flounder dinner. I just know it. I'm going to do some cool mods and load the bilge up with some propane tanks from Home Depot and install the Viking this weekend.

Here's how the Honda 2000 was designed to be used on a boat.

four suns & turtleboat - you both serve very well at proving my point.

I do not own a portable generator. I do not have a 30 ft boat. I do not have a generator built ito my current boat.
I would not choose to run a portable generator on my boat because I do not believe it is a safe to do so.
That is my opinion.
This forum is a public venue. The owners of this forum are not responsible for inaccurate or misleading information that is posted on this forum. I don't believe that there is a big boat bias. I do believe that some on this board have strong beliefs that accurate information be given out at all possible times and I am very thankful for that. It is a personal choice to run a portable generator on a boat. Those stating that it is not a safe choice have done so. I don't understand why this issue turned into a big boat vs a small boat/ rich vs not so rich arguement. I appreciate all opinions and I believe that I have the intelligence to make my own decisions to keep me and my loved ones safe. That is what this forum is all about- coming to your own conclusion.

If you make the choice to run a portable gen- have at it- I hope that you and your loved ones remain safe and happy for all of your boating days.

I appreciate this forum because I can count on accurate and timely information that will make me a happier boater in the end.

Happy winter!

Have you seen those 100' house boats? Hell... they have ceiling fans in them! The AUDACITY! I have no ceiling fans... but I will.

Powderfinger said:

four suns & turtleboat - you both serve very well at proving my point.

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How do you ground your honda when using it on the boat, douchebag.

FWIW i installed a proper marine generator in my 30' boat that did not come with a generator - it was not that difficult nor as expensive as some would have you believe - you just need to do the research and shop around.

I know gennies were an option down to the 26 footers and there are a few people on here that have added them to their 240s So they will fit on boats under 30'

Powderfinger said:

You guys really amuse me. I've been a member here long enough to thoroughly search and read almost everythread on this generator controversy. Is it any coincidence that like 90% ofthe people who ridicule those who even mention the words "portable generators"are the 30' + or larger boat owners who are all set with their built in gensets? You sound like a bunch of elitists who look down on anyone who's got asmaller boat but wants the same comforts and conveniences as you guys do onyour larger boats.

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These “elitists” are the same people I learned what wassafe for my family and what was not. They are incorrectly identified as “elitists”, they are knowledgeable mariners who put safety first. This i snot a small boat vs. big boat issue. Most big boat owners worked their way up and know about the issue.

Powderfinger said:

Any internal combustion engine in the world is capable of killing you. That includes your built in gensets. However any engine is safe if used in accordance with it's manufacture and design and with a certain degree of common sense. Incredible.

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Is use of a portable generator on a boat “in accordance withits manufacture and design“? Coast Guard regulations? Why don’t boat manufacturers offer them as an option? They could probably make more money than on the few built-in they sell on smaller vessels.

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Why is it such a volatile subject with you guys? Do you get all bent out of shape when you see a smoker with a cigarette? I'm sure someone could (and probably will) find a freak incident on line where people were stupid and used a porta genny irresponsibly and died.

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Because we do not want to see people get sick or die needlessly it affects many others than just the user. There have been several deaths reported; however in the sensational world we live they are never given a high profile.

Powderfinger said:

I could as easily find you news stories where people died in their cars running their engines in the garageor something similar. I've used my Honda 2000i generator the way it was intended to be used and with a reasonable amount of common senselike careful downwind placement and making sure that there's no danger of electrical exposure to water. With my generator we're able to enjoy what you guys enjoy, hot coffee in the morning, microwaveoven, phone charger and many other comforts of home.

Until I see where deaths that are directly attributed to CO from portable generators becomes noticeable on the news over the course of a boating seaso nlike the deaths I read in the news every season about people drowning while swimming, people losing limbs being hit by props, diving off cliffs and breaking their necks and crashing their cars on the way home from their day of boating due to texting, I'll maintain my stance.

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The media report what is sensational, not ALL news. Re-read your post. Would you stick your head in a tree chipperbecause you rarely read about the injuries or deaths in the media, EVEN thoughthey happen?

Powderfinger said:

Reading all the posts of discontent about these generators, I feel compelled to wonder if it bothers the large boat owners with their built in gen sets that we small boat owners have the same comforts onboard as they do yet many of us paid a fraction of the price they did for their boats? Yet we're on the same bodies of water, the same marinas living the same life? Sounds ridiculous, I know, but I find it really hard to believe that all the saracastic discontented posts are just because you care for our lives?!

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Your suspicious tone in the post of others motives leadsme to think you want to use a portable generator AND be told “it’s OK”.

Powderfinger said:

Last word, you don't like portable generators? Don't use them! Until you can show where they kill people in situations other than in"freak and rare incidents" maybe you should turn your energy into something more useful. In the meantime, next time you see a post from someonewith a legitimate question about a portable generator, remember, there are some of us who would like to read it and maybe even offer some good insight on the question asked instead of seeing the poor guy get attacked and mauled like apiece of raw meat in a lions den.Speaking for myself only, hearing your same old rants about the subject is not what the poster was looking for. And to tell him to do a search because it's a common question is useless because every thread that comes up on a search on this forum about porta-generators has the same rants from the same people! Next time, please pass the post by!

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Well I can live with the advice I give about portable generators. They ARE dangerous and must be used with the highest level of understanding. If our new posters does not know the in and out of generators and the family dies, can you live with yours? Even if I decided to use one myself I wouldn’t advise others to do so. Other issues I have with them are: they are noisy onthe lake. I hate waking to the noise of portable generators making that coffee disturbing the tranquil setting. They stink: does anyone ever have them properly tuned? You generally have to carry gas cans on the boat increasing the risk of fire.
I hope all will think this through, this IS NOT a boat size issue it is a safety and annoyance issue. MM

Four Suns said:

Have you seen those 100' house boats? Hell... they have ceiling fans in them! The AUDACITY! I have no ceiling fans... but I will.

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dont forget the hot tub and play deck winches.