nothing about the boat, the owner was no cooperating. Good luck on yours!
410 Sundancer/Express Cruiser and 400 Sundancer/Express Cruiser **Official Thread**
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nothing about the boat, the owner was no cooperating. Good luck on yours!
nealtrombley
Active Member
- Apr 7, 2016
- 414
- Boat Info
- 1988 Sea Ray Laguna Sold!
2002 Sea Ray 410 Dancer
- Engines
- 2002 Yamaha 250OX66
twin Cats 350hp
Thank you
I seem to have a great owner
- Jun 5, 2016
- 5,612
- Boat Info
- 410 Sundancer
2001
12" Axiom and 9" Axiom+ MFD
- Engines
- Cat 3126 V-Drives
That sucks! But better now vs after signing! Keep us posted!
Not quite Dave there is a very small difference in ratio between forward and reverse - very small....
And the HSW Hurth gears are not manufactured any longer. I had thought the 2000 model was the last of the Hurth gears. ZF acquired them the revised and strengthened them as the ZF80IV
Edit - however as I look at his pictures they are Hurth HSW gears... Which many of our boats failed the Port side due to the weak case for the countershaft.....
- Jun 5, 2016
- 5,612
- Boat Info
- 410 Sundancer
2001
12" Axiom and 9" Axiom+ MFD
- Engines
- Cat 3126 V-Drives
I know some gears have a pronounced difference in FWD/REV ratio, but if the ratio is off in the 3rd decimal place, talking a couple shaft RPM at cruise. I'm taking the plate specs at face value.
Mine is a 2001 model, but parts were probably acquired in 2000...lucky me
Port transmission was giving me a bunch of trouble, but updating the pump/control valve on the Starboard to the new style and swapping the starboard pump/control valve onto the port side has made everything running like a clock (for now). I re-sampled the transmission fluid at 50 hrs, clean bill of health. Just going to have to keep an eye on it, keep the fluid clean and fresh and hope for the best.
JVM225
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Sorry to hear that. Hope you find another suitable candidate soon.
Dani-Lu
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Not knowing the details, the term “things happen for a reason” is generally the right attitude to maintain when that perfect boat falls through. On a positive note, it is good to not fall too much in love with a boat until after you own it. Many buyers look the other way with issues, and wish they didn’t when the boat they loved becomes a bigger financial burden than expected. If the issue with the owner is you wanting him to make some repairs or lower price, and he says as is, well depending on how much you want the boat, how truly clean it is, should determine your next step, not emotion. Losing a solid boat over a few thousand dollars because you don’t want the seller to win is silly. And many sellers can be incredibly stubborn. Sometimes, because to them they have a great product and they want what they want. Sometimes they lose out on qualified buyers and have to make concessions in the end. Talk about a boat broker’s nightmare.
Whatever happens, you will find another clean 410da. Best of luck.
agreed on all counts. Unfortunately it was closer to the owner not letting us survey the boat at all!
JVM225
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Everything happens for a reason.
We found what we thought would be our perfect boat in early 2016. A 2004 380 with 8.1’s. Liked the boat so much that I sold my old boat overnight, negotiated a price through the broker, put a deposit down and scheduled a survey.
We were willing to own two boats for a while if we had to, but didn’t want to not have one at all so I waited until I found a boat I was willing to make an offer on to sell mine. We really thought we found it.
Got a call from the broker not long after giving him the check for the deposit. He told me that when he went to the owner to have him sign the contract the guy decided he wanted 5k more for the boat.
WTF? The broker had come back to me with the seller’s counter offer price and I agreed to it. It was his number, not mine.
Told the broker to tell the owner to stick the boat up his a$$, got my deposit check back, and cancelled the survey. It wasn’t the 5k, I would have probably agreed to that higher price in negotiations, but I didn’t want to have anything to do with a seller who would pull crap like that after we agreed to a price.
We were heartbroken and went boatless that season.
When relaying the story to a friend (who had moved up to a diesel 420 a few years earlier) shortly after it happened he told me it was an omen and that I should be looking for a diesel powered boat anyway.
We had looked at a few diesel boats before, but having never owned anything with a diesel, I was a bit skiddish about buying one.
We narrowed the search to diesel boats and zeroed in on only looking at 410’s after that 380 mess. Six moths later we found our 410.
As much as we liked that 2004 380, we loved this particular 410 so much more and as soon as we found it we counted our blessings that the 380 deal fell through.
My friend was 100% right!
That 2004 380 remained on the market for 2 more years and eventually sold for significantly less than the price I had agreed to.
Karma is a bitch!
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it sure is.
These are luxury items and I think it’s important to understand they are not a necessity and be willing to be boatless for a period of time. That helps keep emotion out of the deal in my opinion
JVM225
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Absolutely!
As much as it sucked to be boatless for that summer, it was kind of nice not having to winterize, wrap, and store a boat that fall.
We closed on the 410 in December of that year and the dealer included all of that in the sale. The boat was waxed, bottom painted, full of fuel, equipped with brand new lines, Shore power cords, Coast Guard equipment, etc. when we took delivery in April. All part of the deal.
All I had to do was start the motors and bring it home.
Oh Yea
The boat I have now the owner decided to not sell after we finished the surveys and countered to fix the major deficiencies which in reality wasn't much (around $8K). I probably had $5K in surveys, haul out, and travel invested. My broker (who I've used in my previous boat acquisition) was also the owner's listing agent and was embarrassed and livid. In a meeting I wasn't in, I had traveled back home, between the broker and owner and his wife the broker informed that if they pulled out of the contract that the owner would be liable for both my costs and broker's commission. I understand the owner's wife grabbed him by the ear and basically gave him some succinct direction and thus the boat became mine. I did take the owner out to a nice dinner and drinks the next time I was in the area to review the survey corrections and it ended up all good.
Carver370
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- Mar 30, 2007
- 1,928
- Boat Info
- 2000 Sea Ray 400 Sundancer - Diesel
- Engines
- T-3116 CAT - 350 HP
Speaking of transmissions.....
What is the common consensus on the best ATF for the HSW800 lately? Mobile 1?
What is the common consensus on the best ATF for the HSW800 lately? Mobile 1?
Dani-Lu
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i know you weren’t asking my advice, but I felt your pain - Been there. Glad you walked! No survey, no sale. He’s an A-Hole!! As we used to say in Canarsie, Brooklyn, where I grew up - F@&$ Em!!
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- Jun 5, 2016
- 5,612
- Boat Info
- 410 Sundancer
2001
12" Axiom and 9" Axiom+ MFD
- Engines
- Cat 3126 V-Drives
I have been using Mobile DELVAC 1 ATF since I took possession. According to ZF Tech support any Dextron ATF can be used. The specification from ZF is TE ML-04D and Mobile DELVAC 1 is specifically on ZF's list and is marketed as meeting that specification. I think you can find cheaper, but for me the cost difference was negligible and I had a known approved fluid.
Here is the ZF Spec Sheet --> https://aftermarket.zf.com/remotemedia/lol-lubricants/lol-en/lol-te-ml-04-en.pdf
Here is the Mobile DELVAC 1 Spec Sheet --> https://www.mobil.com/en-US/Commercial-Vehicle-Lube/pds/GL-XX-Mobil-Delvac-1-ATF
Castrol has TransMAX in a Dex/Merc and full sysnthetic formulation that I think would work fine, but I couldnt match up the specs (too lazy), and these are about 1/2 the cost. Castrol is more aimed at the automotive market and doesn't list out ZF approvals, making it confusing as to what exactly you are purchasing.
I buy it by the gallon from Summit racing and have it shipped. Each one takes 7.4 quarts so I just buy 4 gallons. The cost of the Mobile DELVAC 1 is $30/gal, the Castrol is about $16. Both go on sale occasionally.
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Carver370
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- Mar 30, 2007
- 1,928
- Boat Info
- 2000 Sea Ray 400 Sundancer - Diesel
- Engines
- T-3116 CAT - 350 HP
Thank you!
nealtrombley
Active Member
- Apr 7, 2016
- 414
- Boat Info
- 1988 Sea Ray Laguna Sold!
2002 Sea Ray 410 Dancer
- Engines
- 2002 Yamaha 250OX66
twin Cats 350hp
does anyone know the distance from the waterline to the rubrail, 02 410
working on pylon protection
working on pylon protection
RH Booten
New Member
- Aug 1, 2020
- 2
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- 2003 41EC Raymarine Radar/chart/gps and auto pilot
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- 8.3 Cummins diesels 450hp
Just saw your post, l have the same issue. How did you resolve this issue
Cocktail Time
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- Jul 9, 2007
- 1,208
- Boat Info
- 1998 400 Sundancer, Garmin 840xs GPS, Furuno Radar, B&G GPS pilot etc.
- Engines
- Cat 3116's, Westerbeke 7.6 BTD
Had a friend who is smaller reconnect and it still sounds like crap. Louder, but high pitched. I think the diaphrams are shot. He hung upside down from the anchor locker hatch and connected it. If you are going to go through the trouble, take the whole unit out and make sure it works before putting it back in.
