Five O on the Potomac

mainstream said:
It's just a boat no one was hurt plenty of officer involved accidents happen every day on Shore in cars ,fire engines ,and other emergency responce vehicles. Dose this mean they all should be hung from the yard arm or kneel hauled I don't think so he will have this follow him In His jacket for his entire carrear. Which it should i don't know any one who has had jail time for a true accident. After watching the video a couple time he over throttles and goes hard over pushing the rear of the boat up and skipping across the water in a fish tail probably due to the horse power to weight ratio so he way under compensated his turn. And if any one here tells me they have never made a misjudgment while operating their own vessel during there entire boating History and luckily not having an incident I'd find it hard to believe. I'm not saying this guy should skate but the punishment should fit the crime. Again just my .02
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No, I have never made a "misjudgement" while operating my vessel that chewed a 4 foot hole in and sank another boat. I have scratched my gelcoat up while docking, I have never pushed my throttles full open 20 feet from another vessel and nearly put my boat up on a breakwall full of people (which he probably would have if that boat hadn't stopped his progress and deflected him away).


His misjudgement easily could have killed one or more people if the boat had been occupied, it crosses the line between an innocent accident and dangerous behavior, which is the point I think the "cop hating" side of this argument is trying to make, and pretty well from what I am seeing. I hope the punishment fits the crime too, ie, this guy should never be allowed to operate a police boat again. Period.
 
Dsybok said:
No, I have never made a "misjudgement" while operating my vessel that chewed a 4 foot hole in and sank another boat. I have scratched my gelcoat up while docking, I have never pushed my throttles full open 20 feet from another vessel and nearly put my boat up on a breakwall full of people (which he probably would have if that boat hadn't stopped his progress and deflected him away).


His misjudgement easily could have killed one or more people if the boat had been occupied, it crosses the line between an innocent accident and dangerous behavior, which is the point I think the "cop hating" side of this argument is trying to make, and pretty well from what I am seeing. I hope the punishment fits the crime too, ie, this guy should never be allowed to operate a police boat again. Period.
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I agree with the whole he should never operate a police boat again and I believe he has caused a whole bunch of bad publicity for the harbor patrol in his specific area. Not ever being a boat officer just a patrol officer I can say that when a person in distress call or other potentially hazardous call comes over that radio your adreniline starts pumping in a cruiser you nail it and cut the wheel you turn do the same thing in a boat and this is what happens. I don't think he was show boating I think he just let emotions over ride judgement and traning. But if his dept was like mine he won't be driving a boat again he will get a letter in his jacket it could cost him his job depending on how much heat the public puts on thedept.
The problem I see is it appears tha because it was a boat and not a car people are up in arms screaming but if it was in a patrol car in an emergency responce situation everyone would say what a horrible accident I hope everyone was ok. Like I said before there is no disputing his responcibility of the accident or even his loss of control of his vessel but the tone everyone takes here is just way over kill in 90% of the post here. If it comes out he was hot dogging and being or under the influence then jail time might be in order. But looking at a 12 second clip and being judge jury and executioner is kind of over the top. He made a mistake he caused property damage no one was hurt so let the scene play out. I am sure he hasn't been reconized for any of the good things he's done in his carreer but boy look at how he's being bashed here and no one knows him.
 
Of course people here are up in arms. But honestly if he did the same thing in a car, going full throttle and pulling a u-turn in a busy area, side-swiping several cars next to a crowded sidewalk, and you post that on a car forum, guess what the reaction would be? Heck, post that on THIS forum, and I doubt you'd see much difference.

Again, most of the "up in arms" is due to the fact that 99% of the time, the cop gets away with it when the civilian would get arrested and charged.

Show me an arrest and prosecution for reckless endangerment and hit and run, without a plea to lesser charges and a slap on the wrist and I'll happily shut up.

But that will never happen, and we all know it.
 
src said:
Of course people here are up in arms. But honestly if he did the same thing in a car, going full throttle and pulling a u-turn in a busy area, side-swiping several cars next to a crowded sidewalk, and you post that on a car forum, guess what the reaction would be? Heck, post that on THIS forum, and I doubt you'd see much difference.

Again, most of the "up in arms" is due to the fact that 99% of the time, the cop gets away with it when the civilian would get arrested and charged.

Show me an arrest and prosecution for reckless endangerment and hit and run, without a plea to lesser charges and a slap on the wrist and I'll happily shut up.

But that will never happen, and we all know it.
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http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/56145148-78/mccarthy-convicted-endangerment-morgan.html.csp

http://www.scdag.com/news/item/392-...of-dui-firearm-violation-and-reckless-driving

http://articles.courant.com/2012-10...fficer-robert-mosback-utility-pole-patrol-car

Just a few...
 
" Someone a few posts back stated all police and firemen are volunteers. This is not true, especially in large urban areas." they are all volunteers for their employment, same as we no longer have a draft in the military. The only difference is that the military does not have a union to support them, no one drafted them to become a police or fireperson, they had to step forward and raise a right hand, take an oath.
 
Glad no one was hurt but I have to admit......some of the equipment being provided to LE / HLS is way over their heads. Only constant military type training would make them safe to use in public.....much like these fast response boats. Our Special Response Team has ten full auto MP5's in .40! They do not get enough trigger time to use these safely in public. That boat is another example of overkill with tax dollars IMHO. I can only hope they went back to check if anyone was in the cabin before the boat sank! I have to admit we would be arrested for such an accident event and held personally accountable/insurance.....the same will not happen to an Officer because they are on the job and not personally liable, Mike.
 
MPD has a dozen of those boats sitting in Washington channel waiting to run down more Sea Ray owners.
 
CV-23 said:
Glad no one was hurt but I have to admit......some of the equipment being provided to LE / HLS is way over their heads. Only constant military type training would make them safe to use in public.....much like these fast response boats. Our Special Response Team has ten full auto MP5's in .40! They do not get enough trigger time to use these safely in public. That boat is another example of overkill with tax dollars IMHO. I can only hope they went back to check if anyone was in the cabin before the boat sank! I have to admit we would be arrested for such an accident event and held personally accountable/insurance.....the same will not happen to an Officer because they are on the job and not personally liable, Mike.
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If you think these are fast boats, look at what Fairfax County's Marine Unit commands.
http://www.debcobb.com/p251779874
(Not my photos) If marine officers are on their boats daily they should be well versed in how to handle them. MPD officers should really be well trained since they have high value targets to protect.

I think it will be interesting to see what the USCG puts in their report. Not only will they have witness accounts, but the accounts of at least one licensed captain who had a front row seat for the incident.

It was bad judgement. Especially since it was a very busy area, no wake zone and he was not the first responder. Another MPD boat was already en-route.
 
Lucky's said:
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/56145148-78/mccarthy-convicted-endangerment-morgan.html.csp

http://www.scdag.com/news/item/392-...of-dui-firearm-violation-and-reckless-driving

http://articles.courant.com/2012-10...fficer-robert-mosback-utility-pole-patrol-car

Just a few...
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There you go now I want all the proof of all these other things that 99% that law enforcement gets away with. In my marina alone in may a boat traveling at better then headway speed went down the fairway and caught 4 anchor hawsers ripping them from the boats causing thousands of damage and the guy got a citation for speeding in a no wake zone should they have locked him up for being a new boat owner. Or was it wreckless endangerment. I see people getting away with a slap on the wrist when they have no idea how to operate. There are always two sides granted he wasn't doing anything like the video but it was an accident. I hope there is a follow up on this story in the news but I doubt it.
 
We were in DC the weekend before this happened, and we spent a few hours at an outside table at one of those places along the pier, right where the booze cruises come and go. The water in the area was really packed. I noticed the white no wake buoys down toward the Kennedy Center, and there were boats and PWC idling through the area, boats anchored in random spots, kayaks, and even a single scull, and all were following the rules. Even the Coast Guard patrol boat that came through did so at idle speed. The one exception was these two black/grey patrol boats, which looked the same as the one in the video. At one point, the two patrol boats were alongside each other, a few feet out from the pier very close to boats tied up along the pier, and they must have gotten a call, because the operators moved behind the wheels very quickly and just opened up their throttles right there and took off at high speed, coming within a few feet of nearby boats, and rocking everything in the area with their wakes. I remember commenting to my wife that these guys were being really unsafe, and that they needed more supervision and/or more training, or they're going to hurt someone.
 
This is getting silly now. Cop made a huge mistake. It will be handled internally, he'll get reprimanded. No one was hurt. Some of you guys are going way overboard. Boat owners will get compensated, yes at the taxpayers expense.

There is no reason to continue to run the officer into the ground. I'm sure he feels bad enough.
 
This happens in cars as well.... cops using computers and cell phones cause tons of accidents! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeBNJ4AwqwE They almost never have any repercussions from these, regardless of how much damage and/or pain they cause. My mother was rear ended by a Police car and hurt in the accident. You wouldn't believe what she had to go through for ANY compensation.
 
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Todd,

It's DC and we get extreme all the time. We live in a town where no one is held accountable, we spy on everyone and we have the ability to declare war on any country we want to and get the taxpayers of America to pay for it.

The only downside (beyond the protests, heat and traffic) is that it is almost impossible to own or carry a gun in the DC which makes it even more interesting when those who do....get into trouble.

-John
 
PlayDate said:
Todd,

It's DC and we get extreme all the time. We live in a town where no one is held accountable, we spy on everyone and we have the ability to declare war on any country we want to and get the taxpayers of America to pay for it.

The only downside (beyond the protests, heat and traffic) is that it is almost impossible to own or carry a gun in the DC which makes it even more interesting when those who do....get into trouble.

-John
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Sorry, John, but this is absolutely 1,000,000% false. While it IS almost impossible to LEGALLY own or carry a gun in DC, you can bet your azz that most if not all of the lowlife scum in DC do both.

Sorry for the derail, now back to your regularly scheduled thread.
 
Thank you for the correction.

You are absolutely correct that there is a distinction between legally carrying a gun in DC and those who believe that laws are for others to follow. The irony is that DC is where politicians and low life scum both believe laws are for other people to pay attention to.

-John
 
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This is a photo I took from the Watergate last spring.
It shows the stretch of river where the incident occurred.

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