Garmin Navionics Sub'd Charts

Skybolt

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Here is the question - these downloads are a one year subscription. If I add a chart package to my existing purchased (non-subscription) package will it mess me up and make everything an annual subscription?

Garmin has been pulling some fast ones lately (my experience) and wouldn't want to take the chance.
 
No they keep everything separate, I use Express and you can see your subscription vs. purchase in a list format. Also the sud'd chart doesn't actually expire and only the added features expire or at least that is what I was told. Either way for 149 for the updated Vision+ charts is a good deal. We shall see on what actually expires.

I will say this,Garmin isn't the Garmin of even two years ago. Such a shame the way things seem to go.
 
Do you need to purchase Vision+ for each chartplotter or do they all get the update if its active for you.
 
Smashpjp said:
Do you need to purchase Vision+ for each chartplotter or do they all get the update if its active for you.
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All charts are always shared across the GMN. As long as the MFD's are networked your good to go.
 
That’s a good price. I think that’s what the renewal goes for. And yes you keep your old purchased charts. When it expires you loose your updates and auto routing. Which is so stupid. I can see updates but why autorouting? Aside from this I do like the navionics over the old Garmin charts.
 
Garmin Bluechart G3 Vision vs Navionics+ compatibility -
https://www.garmin.com/en-US/marine/chartplotter-compatibility/
Read the fine print at the bottom of that link's page on the subscription specifics.

Without a doubt Garmin is moving from Bluecharts to Navionics and to a subscription based format.
I'm concerned as I have over $1K in G3 Vision packages on the system.
 
I also have money invested in the G3 Vision+, but that doesn't change. I figured $149 to try out the new charts wasn't so bad. I intend to let them expire to see what gets lost. Then decide which I like better.
 
What does the table for Card Readers mean? It looks like it's saying only the newer USB card reader will work and all older "Garmin Card Readers" will not? Or does a wireless connection get around this?
 
alnav said:
What does the table for Card Readers mean? It looks like it's saying only the newer USB card reader will work and all older "Garmin Card Readers" will not? Or does a wireless connection get around this?
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I'd like to know about this also as I have the standalone dual SD card reader and was originally going to get the Navionics+ but for the sale price might go with the Vison+.
 
I read somewhere and can't find right now, but I believe the original Garmin card reader doesn't support the size of the card needed for the newer charts.

I really hate the new way of describing things, no one puts any details in anything anymore and you need to search and dig really deep to find answers. I guess your just supposed to swallow the pill and think it's the greatest thing ever ...
 
Skybolt said:
I read somewhere and can't find right now, but I believe the original Garmin card reader doesn't support the size of the card needed for the newer charts.

I really hate the new way of describing things, no one puts any details in anything anymore and you need to search and dig really deep to find answers. I guess your just supposed to swallow the pill and think it's the greatest thing ever ...
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Orlando, have you tested the Navionics yet? I'm concerned that the 7608 (which we both have) is listed as not compatible although my 8600's are. Wondering how that will play out after installation.
 
alnav said:
Orlando, have you tested the Navionics yet? I'm concerned that the 7608 (which we both have) is listed as not compatible although my 8600's are. Wondering how that will play out after installation.
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Hi Al, no I haven't, was going to go try it out this afternoon possibly if I have time. I will definitely get to it tomorrow though.

I did notice it want's a card with at least 18GB of space, so you will need to switch to 32gb cards and why the original Garmin card read that went on the GMN won't work.
 
I found a different compatibility page:https://support.garmin.com/en-US/?faq=ym4WgOpuXw0p6HnSwjgdQ9
It has this note: "NOTE: The Garmin Navionics+ charts will work on compatible chartplotters when using the Garmin USB Card Reader. The ethernet version of the Garmin Card Reader is not compatible with Garmin Navionics+ cartography. "
So, my dash ethernet legacy reader surely won't work. The question is whether the internal card readers on the chartplotters will. I've got plenty of those but the 8600's are in the rear. I have a dual reader in the front of the 7608 but that's listed as incompatible.
The pricing is very attractive. A new version of my legacy Vision+ chart (which covers a smaller area) is $450, the update is $229. I assume they jacked up those prices to suck us in to subscriptions.
 
For sure Garmin is moving away from Bluechart. I figured that would happen when they bought Navionics. Id didn't make sense to keep and maintain two different charting systems.

When I added a second 8600 device, I specifically got a close out from BOE that was using the Bluechart G3. Partly to keep compatibility with my existing device, but also so I didn't have to deal with subscriptions. The boating season is so short, it feels like subscriptions are extra expensive for the time they get used.

I was also wondering what happens to the Bluechart G3 when you upgrade to a Navionics subscription. That's a significant reason question for my to not try it. I already have auto routing built in as a non-subscription feature and I use it. I don't like the idea of "upgrading" to something that makes me continuously pay more for something I already have.
 
alnav said:
I found a different compatibility page:https://support.garmin.com/en-US/?faq=ym4WgOpuXw0p6HnSwjgdQ9
It has this note: "NOTE: The Garmin Navionics+ charts will work on compatible chartplotters when using the Garmin USB Card Reader. The ethernet version of the Garmin Card Reader is not compatible with Garmin Navionics+ cartography. "
So, my dash ethernet legacy reader surely won't work. The question is whether the internal card readers on the chartplotters will. I've got plenty of those but the 8600's are in the rear. I have a dual reader in the front of the 7608 but that's listed as incompatible.
The pricing is very attractive. A new version of my legacy Vision+ chart (which covers a smaller area) is $450, the update is $229. I assume they jacked up those prices to suck us in to subscriptions.
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Al, That's because the internal on the 76xx series and the GMN reader had a 16gb limit. The new internals on the 86xx/xx43 series are 32gb. I currently have a 32gb card in them now.
 
alnav said:
I found a different compatibility page:https://support.garmin.com/en-US/?faq=ym4WgOpuXw0p6HnSwjgdQ9
It has this note: "NOTE: The Garmin Navionics+ charts will work on compatible chartplotters when using the Garmin USB Card Reader. The ethernet version of the Garmin Card Reader is not compatible with Garmin Navionics+ cartography. "
So, my dash ethernet legacy reader surely won't work. The question is whether the internal card readers on the chartplotters will. I've got plenty of those but the 8600's are in the rear. I have a dual reader in the front of the 7608 but that's listed as incompatible.
The pricing is very attractive. A new version of my legacy Vision+ chart (which covers a smaller area) is $450, the update is $229. I assume they jacked up those prices to suck us in to subscriptions.
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I have to think the 8600 card readers will work. How else could you load the data?

Garmin also has the ability to use non-ethernet external card reader. It installs on the dash (or where ever), and the cable is USB type. That reader takes full-size SD cards.
 
b_arrington said:
... I was also wondering what happens to the Bluechart G3 when you upgrade to a Navionics subscription. That's a significant reason question for my to not try it. I already have auto routing built in as a non-subscription feature and I use it. I don't like the idea of "upgrading" to something that makes me continuously pay more for something I already have.
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They are separate charts and the Navionics will take precedent on overlapping area's.

I too hate sub's especially for something like this, it's just outright gouging IMO. Pay for the sake of paying.
 
Skybolt said:
They are separate charts and the Navionics will take precedent on overlapping area's.

I too hate sub's especially for something like this, it's just outright gouging IMO. Pay for the sake of paying.
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That confuses me Orlando - I have the Bluechart Vision Jacksonville / Bahamas coastal and Brownsville / Key Largo packages. They are big areas. If I should subscribe to one of the Navionics packages that happens to overlay a part of the Bluechart, what happens?
I ask because I've considered a run to Savannah Ga which my Bluechart packages do not cover.

It's sad to hear about the limitations on the network card reader and card slots on the MFD (8600 series) - an expensive device for such archaic limitations.
 
ttmott said:
That confuses me Orlando - I have the Bluechart Vision Jacksonville / Bahamas coastal and Brownsville / Key Largo packages. They are big areas. If I should subscribe to one of the Navionics packages that happens to overlay a part of the Bluechart, what happens?
I ask because I've considered a run to Savannah Ga which my Bluechart packages do not cover.

It's sad to hear about the limitations on the network card reader and card slots on the MFD (8600 series) - an expensive device for such archaic limitations.
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Where there is overlap, the newer Navionics+ chart is supposed to display in the overlap area. So if you have two charts that are the same, the new Navionics+ will take precedence. If you have two charts that only share some area, the shared area will be displayed by the new Navionics+ sub'd chart.
 
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