General wiring

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  1. Jeff_757

    Jeff_757 New Member

    29
    Oct 18, 2022
    Hampton Roads, VA
    '98 Sundancer 250
    Single 5.7L Merc w/ Brave III Drive
    For those that do their own electrical, when it comes to wire connecting, what method do you use:

    - crimp butt connectors
    - self solder heat shrink butt connectors
    - soldering the wires then add heat shrink
    - electrical tape
     
  2. Mauler34Rod

    Mauler34Rod Well-Known Member

    534
    Aug 26, 2020
    Chicago Lake Michigan
    2001 380 Sundancer, Raymarine radar, chart plotter and gps
    454 MPII Mercruiser w/ V Drives
    It depends on what is being spliced and where, but for like hooking up a stereo system or speakers I use crimped butt connectors with heat shrink. A more critical application I probably would solder and shrink. :)
     
  3. Golfman25

    Golfman25 Well-Known Member

    Sep 12, 2009
    IL
    1998 370 Sundancer
    7.4 MPI
    Crimp butt connectors. usually with heat shrink.
     
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  4. dtfeld

    dtfeld Water Contrails GOLD Sponsor

    Jun 5, 2016
    Milton, GA
    410 Sundancer
    2001
    12" Axiom and 9" Axiom+ MFD
    Cat 3126 V-Drives
    Everything I do is a crimped connector with adhesive lining. For more secure connections might use a ring terminal onto a terminal strip. Amazon has assortments from Wirefly that are excellent quality and inexpensive.

    Also, you need a good ratcheting crimp tool properly adjusted, and a heat gun.

    My understanding, soldering not recommended in marine applications.
     
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  5. SKybolt

    SKybolt Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Nov 11, 2014
    Kent Narrows, MD
    Reel Nauti
    460 EC
    Detroit 6v92TA
    (Low profile's)
    Alison Gears
    Westerbeke
    12.5kw Genset
    The best way for the marine environment is butt/terminal connectors that self seal with heat. Everything I do is done that way and also use terminal strips if more then one connection is required. As Dave mentioned you need to get a heat gun for the terminals and if possible use Ancor connectors and tinned marine wire.

    Using solder and shrink tubing is not recommended because the flux in the solder will corrode the wire in a marine environment. Over a short period of time the wire will break inside the shrink tube but the connection will look fine and nothing will work.
     
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  6. ttmott

    ttmott PhD in OCD TECHNICAL Contributor

    Apr 3, 2012
    Space Coast Florida
    2006 52 Sedan Bridge
    Cummins QSM11
    For me it depends upon what the connection is and where it is. The most challenging location IMO are things like the bilge pump wiring. There I use Anchor heat shrink crimp butt connectors with another layer of adhesive lined heat shrink over. Other applications are Anchor heat shrink crimp connectors. With that said all of the wiring is tin coated marine rated. On screw/clamp terminals it's either crimp ring terminals or ferrels depending upon the type of connection.
    I have used soldered battery lugs in the past; they haven't given me problems but now that I have a quality hydraulic crimper everything is crimped. I've tried a lot of different (Amazon cheap) crimp connectors to save a few bucks but keep coming back to the Anchor products.
     
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  7. Stee6043

    Stee6043 Well-Known Member

    Jun 1, 2015
    West Michigan
    1997 Sundancer 400
    7.4L Gassers
    Not like the photo below!!!! This thread brought me back to when I bought my boat in 2018. The prior owner used electrical tape (only) when he replaced the pumps/switches in the shower sumps. He also located the splices such that they sat in the water.

    It was nice to know that my forward emergency bilge works like a champ though...

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  8. ttmott

    ttmott PhD in OCD TECHNICAL Contributor

    Apr 3, 2012
    Space Coast Florida
    2006 52 Sedan Bridge
    Cummins QSM11
    It's odd this comes up as the Subwoofer in the cockpit just quit working. I've been troubleshooting it for a couple of days finding both the amplifier good and the speaker good. It ended up being the spade terminal corroded through at the speaker connection. Actually the terminal was still good but the copper (not tinned) wire corroded and failed under the heat shrink. That Sub is in the transom locker - it is wet in there a lot. That wire is the cheap clear 14 gauge wire and all of the copper in it looks bad. I just purchased 200 feet of marine grade tinned speaker wire - guess what my next project is.... actually after I finish the rebuilding of the Marquipt Davit project.
     
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  9. SKybolt

    SKybolt Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Nov 11, 2014
    Kent Narrows, MD
    Reel Nauti
    460 EC
    Detroit 6v92TA
    (Low profile's)
    Alison Gears
    Westerbeke
    12.5kw Genset
    That's the issue with water tight shrink tube, it is great until it isn't. The dam water proofing is like glue and you can't find bad connections. Drives me crazy. I've been converting the speaker wire(s) over to 12/2 Ancor tinned wire. So far so good.
     
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  10. ttmott

    ttmott PhD in OCD TECHNICAL Contributor

    Apr 3, 2012
    Space Coast Florida
    2006 52 Sedan Bridge
    Cummins QSM11
    When you push on those spade connections onto the speaker give it a little shot of CorrosionX or Boeshield.
     
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  11. SKybolt

    SKybolt Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Nov 11, 2014
    Kent Narrows, MD
    Reel Nauti
    460 EC
    Detroit 6v92TA
    (Low profile's)
    Alison Gears
    Westerbeke
    12.5kw Genset
    I have been using dielectric grease, but yeah, I love CorrosionX. They have great products.
     
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  12. dtfeld

    dtfeld Water Contrails GOLD Sponsor

    Jun 5, 2016
    Milton, GA
    410 Sundancer
    2001
    12" Axiom and 9" Axiom+ MFD
    Cat 3126 V-Drives
    I have been using these from WireFly from Amazon. Tinned copper, and the heat shrink is excellent. They are about as close to the Ancor products as I can find. YMMV. My only screw up is I should have gone with the 1080 pc kit as I seem to run out of something just as I'm about to make the last connection.

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  13. Lazy Daze

    Lazy Daze Well-Known Member TECHNICAL Contributor GOLD Sponsor

    Apr 21, 2009
    PA
    Various
    Various
    Adhesive lined shrink/butt connectors and you're good for decades (typically).

    Another issue with soldering is that it is required to mechanically secure the connection within X number of inches of the solder joint. The reason for this is because of the excessive vibration that a boat endures. The spot where the solder stops flowing can create a localized pivot point, so to say. Normally the wire can flex over it's entire length, but now that flex is concentrated at one specific spot. Just like when you want to break a piece of softer plastic, you keep bending it back and forth at the same spot.

    Here's another "never ever ever":

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  14. Nater Potater

    Nater Potater Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Oct 19, 2020
    Southwest Idaho
    1992 300DA Sundancer
    Twin Merc Alpha I Gen II I/O's with 5.7 V8's
    That was hammered into me during my A&P training and it appears I didn't learn the first time, as I had to relearn it with motorcycles after creating some broken wires from the vibration. As a few have already noted, best to stay away from soldering wires.
     
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  15. Bill Curtis

    Bill Curtis Well-Known Member

    721
    Mar 24, 2022
    Eastern NC
    '95 220 Overnighter
    454 Mag. Bravo3 w/ 2.0:1 gears and 27 pitch props
    454 Mag Bravo3. 2.0:1 ratio gears w/ 27 pitch props
    On critical connections, I solder, apply the grease described below then heatshrink. Non critical, then it's 50/50 that I solder or crimp (always use adhesive heat shrink), depending on where it is and mood. Butt connectors I use are bare / un-insulated ones and have no sleeve on them and always get adhesive heatshrink applied.

    Used NO-OX-ID made by Sanchem Inc. in Chicago. It is amazing terminal grease used on all connections on the Telecom and Data Center power plants and UPS plants we built and maintained (up to 10,000 amp -48 vdc buss and some of the higher voltage DC systems. Plus all UPS plant battery and electrical connections). Terminals, cables ends, connections, everything. We needed absolute protection for cabling, as we had to guarantee they would be reliable 99.999% (yup, five 9's) of the time and had severe financial penalties if not. Can be ordered from here: https://www.txmstore.com/rg19-grease-no-ox-id-2-oz-can/

    I have some in my garage and apply it to the wire before inserting it in the butt splice or terminal connector and then crimp and heatshrink. Also smear on all terminal ring and spade connections, then make up the connection. Haven't had a connector corrode on a boat or trailer in 20 years using the stuff.
     
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  16. Spark600

    Spark600 Well-Known Member

    455
    Dec 28, 2013
    South Shore Long Island NY
    2015 Sundancer 410
    Onan Generator
    Mercury dinghy
    Cummins QSB HO 380 HP
    Zeus Pods
    Has anybody use this type of a connector ( Solder and seal wire connectors ) , Are they Good or bad.
    I was going to use these on a harness that I am making to install a remote LED screen with start and stop and codes for my generator.
    Any suggestions for this as it is mostly communications.

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  17. Bill Curtis

    Bill Curtis Well-Known Member

    721
    Mar 24, 2022
    Eastern NC
    '95 220 Overnighter
    454 Mag. Bravo3 w/ 2.0:1 gears and 27 pitch props
    454 Mag Bravo3. 2.0:1 ratio gears w/ 27 pitch props
    I have that set and tried them. Not impressed with holding ability and / or the quality of the connection of the wires. Probably OK on non-critical light duty connections.
     
  18. dtfeld

    dtfeld Water Contrails GOLD Sponsor

    Jun 5, 2016
    Milton, GA
    410 Sundancer
    2001
    12" Axiom and 9" Axiom+ MFD
    Cat 3126 V-Drives
    For a boat, the crimp/adhesive lined stuff is cheap and easy and works. No solder iron/gun required, but I do pull out the heat gun. However, in a pinch a butane lighter will get the job done. The biggest driver of a good connection is selecting the right size connector and using a good crimping tool.


    A lot of engineers have received their PhD's after writing their thesis on how to best crimp wires. The electrical component guys all have lengthy specifications on how to do a crimp connection, which becomes critical when mass producing wire harnesses in automated factories. Get close on a one-off on the boat and you'll be good.

    Here's one from AMP that has a best practices section. We all have a bunch of these connectors all over our boats.

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  19. ttmott

    ttmott PhD in OCD TECHNICAL Contributor

    Apr 3, 2012
    Space Coast Florida
    2006 52 Sedan Bridge
    Cummins QSM11
    Pretty much all wiring in spacecraft is crimped and pull tested. Tooling obviously is specific and calibrated. I recall some of the shielding is silver soldered but that is about it. Many of the connectors are potted after crimping and testing. Potting is a rubber-like compound that the connector is filled with and sets up to the consistency of a automobile tire.
     
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  20. Nater Potater

    Nater Potater Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Oct 19, 2020
    Southwest Idaho
    1992 300DA Sundancer
    Twin Merc Alpha I Gen II I/O's with 5.7 V8's

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