Great News! CDC Says Covid On Verge Of Non-epdimic Status!

[Steve in Minneapolis]

In response to my question, you cited and individualized horror story dealing with covid -- a 10. I responded by citing an individualized case which had zero adverse affects -- a 1. For every bad one, there's a good one. That's the cop out. The failure to look at the bigger picture and critically analyze it.

It's a complete hypothetical question, and really means nothing. It all depends on your perspective. Some people here seem to think it's not real, made up by the media, or that it's equivalent to a poor diet. To them it's a 1, even if their family is sickened. Some seem to be saying: "Oh, it's likely they'll get better. They won't infect me. I don't need a mask. So what if I carry it to someone else? If they die, we are just thinning the herd. They would have died anyway."

Personally, I have a low level of concern (3) for myself because I'm generally healthy, and we are being cautious. I'm very concerned about my parents (5-6) because of their age, and about my son because he will be forced to go back to school. My higher level of concern (8) is for people who are ignoring the situation and pretending it doesn't exist or it's made up, or it's not a big deal. Those are the people who are fooling themselves, and are a danger to others. They could be carrying a ticking time bomb and not even know it. Even worse are those who challenge the virus by having virus parties to see who gets it first. It's one thing to risk your own health, but it is a very different thing to risk the health of those around you with a cavalier attitude.

To your point, in fact the majority are "recovering". I guess you'd call that a good outcome, so a 1 on the concern scale. Would you also consider it a 1 to have a heart attack and recover? No concern? Drive drunk and not crash? Concern level 1?

If you only consider that 80% don't have major symptoms, or that only 3.3% in the US die, you don't take into consideration the suffering the 20% or the potential long term effects on all who've been infected. On your scale, what number would it have to be for you to care, or to do something preventive?

 

[Blueone]

"and about my son because he will be forced to go back to school. "

No you allowed him to go back to school....you alone control your destiny. Don't blame or expect others to do what you think. We are all in this together we all will make our own decisions

 

[Steve in Minneapolis]

You do know how true that statement is right ?

I believe a particular news media may put a spin on things to support their own agenda. CNN does it, but so does Fox, and every other news media. Every human will tend to spin things to support their own beliefs.

But, I can cite enough cases close to myself to know this is NOT made up by CNN or anyone else. If that's what you think, you are dead wrong. This illness isn't made up, and it's not something that is being spread only by the media. It isn't a conspiracy against Donald Trump or anyone else.

I think it is logical to say that a mask will do something to slow the spread of a disease that is spread by the air we breathe. So, I wear a mask to help reduce the spread. It isn't that big of a deal, and I can handle it like an adult.

 

[Steve in Minneapolis]

We are all in this together we all will make our own decisions

How does that work? Are you really making decisions for "all of us" or just yourself?

For the kids going to school, yes they are forced. IMO, sending them to school is wrong, but so is not sending them to school. Unfortunately there is no right answer.

And, what about those teachers and their families? Yes, they are forced to go back... or be unemployed.

 

[El Capitan]

I think you are right. No new hospitalizations in Florida. It's all made up by CNN.

The news is bogus. Even this source, Florida's Agency for HeathCare Administration is using fake numbers.: https://bi.ahca.myflorida.com/t/ABICC/views/Public/ICUBedsHospital?:isGuestRedirectFromVizportal=y&:embed=y
They must be making it up when they say only 16% of ICU beds are open statewide. I guess the other 84% are filled with people suffering from Big Mac attacks.

Doesn’t it suck when facts get in the way of your false narrative?

https://www.lifezette.com/2020/07/f...ly-over-reporting-positive-coronavirus-cases/


https://www.breitbart.com/health/20...on-reveals-inflated-florida-covid-19-numbers/

Mike drop!

 

[MonacoMike]

I think you are right. No new hospitalizations in Florida. It's all made up by CNN.

The news is bogus. Even this source, Florida's Agency for HeathCare Administration is using fake numbers.: https://bi.ahca.myflorida.com/t/ABICC/views/Public/ICUBedsHospital?:isGuestRedirectFromVizportal=y&:embed=y
They must be making it up when they say only 16% of ICU beds are open statewide. I guess the other 84% are filled with people suffering from Big Mac attacks.

I actually think it’s the whoppers, not the big Mac.

When they were going on about beds in Texas and the truth came out what was actually filling the beds was people that had put off healthcare during the lockdown mixed with a few Covid patients.

Do you believe that hospitals normally have a bunch of empty ICU beds sitting there with hundreds of thousands of dollars of equipment around them just waiting for you to get there?

 

[MonacoMike]

How does that work? Are you really making decisions for "all of us" or just yourself?

For the kids going to school, yes they are forced. IMO, sending them to school is wrong, but so is not sending them to school. Unfortunately there is no right answer.

And, what about those teachers and their families? Yes, they are forced to go back... or be unemployed.

How does that work? Are you really making decisions for "all of us" or just yourself?

For the kids going to school, yes they are forced. IMO, sending them to school is wrong, but so is not sending them to school. Unfortunately there is no right answer.

And, what about those teachers and their families? Yes, they are forced to go back... or be unemployed.

You send them to the public warehouse schools, you are right they are forced to do school, but they are not forced to go to school.

 

[Blueone]

For the kids going to school, yes they are forced. .

That's when you need some balls.... Home school or send the kid to school....no one is forcing you.

 

[alnav]

Doesn’t it suck when facts get in the way of your false narrative?

https://www.lifezette.com/2020/07/f...ly-over-reporting-positive-coronavirus-cases/


https://www.breitbart.com/health/20...on-reveals-inflated-florida-covid-19-numbers/

Mike drop!

Conspiracy Theorists and Virus Deniers Amplify and Distort Minor Data Error
"The relatively small mistakes that some labs made in not reporting negative results would have almost no impact on the overall positivity rate in a state with more than 2.7 million people being tested."
https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local...amplify-and-distort-minor-data-error/2262792/
PolitiFact: Misreported test data in Orlando does not explain Florida’s COVID-19 outbreak
"We rate the statement False."
https://www.tampabay.com/news/healt...-does-not-explain-floridas-covid-19-outbreak/

 

[MonacoMike]

Conspiracy Theorists and Virus Deniers Amplify and Distort Minor Data Error
"The relatively small mistakes that some labs made in not reporting negative results would have almost no impact on the overall positivity rate in a state with more than 2.7 million people being tested."
https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local...amplify-and-distort-minor-data-error/2262792/
PolitiFact: Misreported test data in Orlando does not explain Florida’s COVID-19 outbreak
"We rate the statement False."
https://www.tampabay.com/news/healt...-does-not-explain-floridas-covid-19-outbreak/

Please discontinue the use of the left wing controlled politifact As an authoritative source.

“Now comes a study from the George Mason University Center for Media and Public Affairs that demonstrates empirically that PolitiFact.org, one of the nation's leading "fact checkers," finds that Republicans are dishonest in their claims three times as often as Democrats. "PolitiFact.com has rated Republican claims as false three times as often as Democratic claims”

 

[Steve in Minneapolis]

Doesn’t it suck when facts get in the way of your false narrative?

https://www.lifezette.com/2020/07/f...ly-over-reporting-positive-coronavirus-cases/


https://www.breitbart.com/health/20...on-reveals-inflated-florida-covid-19-numbers/

Mike drop!

I didn't quote FDH or the positivity rates. This has nothing to do with my links to reports of hospital beds. So, yeah, it sucks when you quote irrelevant, unrelated facts.

Mic drop.

Yes, it's a mic (as in microphone), not a Mike.

 

[MonacoMike]

 

[MonacoMike]

So good it had to be in both threads...

 

[Blueone]

Covid burger I stopped on purpose for this pic.... you guys are killing me (in funny, not literally)

 

[OllieC]

"and about my son because he will be forced to go back to school. "

No you allowed him to go back to school....you alone control your destiny. Don't blame or expect others to do what you think. We are all in this together we all will make our own decisions

It is my understanding that Minneapolis hasn't made a decision on opening yet. My guess is they won't. If your kid goes to a charter or private school in the area, they've been following the public school districts guidelines anyway. My kid goes to a charter school in St. Paul and they are doing remote learning at least until Sept 28th and will review procedures to get the kids back to school.

...but I agree with your statement. Don't send your kid if they open up. The schools are accommodating to parents in the MN area who want to stay sheltered.

 

[alnav]

Please discontinue the use of the left wing controlled politifact As an authoritative source.

“Now comes a study from the George Mason University Center for Media and Public Affairs that demonstrates empirically that PolitiFact.org, one of the nation's leading "fact checkers," finds that Republicans are dishonest in their claims three times as often as Democrats. "PolitiFact.com has rated Republican claims as false three times as often as Democratic claims”

Interesting study, albeit from 2012. The study merely added up the Politifact rulings and did come out with the result you cite. But, the study didn't evaluate whether Politifact's evaluations were accurate or not.

A scan of the Politifact website reveals that they are by no means willing to ignore Democrat falsehoods or Republican truths. Take a look at Joe Biden's scorecard: 62% True, 38% False. President Trump is 29% True, 71% False. Each evaluation is supported by transparent access to sources.

Rather than evidence of bias, the obvious conclusion is that Republicans told more lies than Democrats, at least back in 2012 and as looked at by Politifact. I wonder what a 2020 study would find.

Politifact is rated as "Least Biased" by https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/poynter-institute/ which uses an evidence-based approach to rate sources. "These sources have minimal bias and use very few loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes). The reporting is factual and usually sourced. These are the most credible media sources."

 

[alnav]

So good it had to be in both threads...

Answer: Because they have been wearing masks. A large part, medical workers are obviously using PPE. Same with government workers where it's required. Commercial establishments responsible for the rest largely mandated masks for their workers early on and have gradually been applying this policy to patrons as well. Government mask mandates typically applied to public establishment staffs first before expanding to all. Since establishments risk penalties for not enforcing mask laws, such as losing their licenses, enforcement for these workers is better as well.

Studies have shown that essential workers actually have lower infection and death rates than the general public.

 

[OllieC]

Politifact is a left leaning rag

 

[MonacoMike]

Interesting study, albeit from 2012. The study merely added up the Politifact rulings and did come out with the result you cite. But, the study didn't evaluate whether Politifact's evaluations were accurate or not.

A scan of the Politifact website reveals that they are by no means willing to ignore Democrat falsehoods or Republican truths. Take a look at Joe Biden's scorecard: 62% True, 38% False. President Trump is 29% True, 71% False. Each evaluation is supported by transparent access to sources.

Rather than evidence of bias, the obvious conclusion is that Republicans told more lies than Democrats, at least back in 2012 and as looked at by Politifact. I wonder what a 2020 study would find.

Politifact is rated as "Least Biased" by https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/poynter-institute/ which uses an evidence-based approach to rate sources. "These sources have minimal bias and use very few loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes). The reporting is factual and usually sourced. These are the most credible media sources."

If you do not get that all MSM and academia tilt left and give the left a huge advantage and any source is likely tilted 70-30 against the conservatives.

Your comparison of Trump to Biden is just about that. Please post links to the corrections from MSM on reporting that made Trump look good but then turned out to be untrue and they had to issue that correction.

I can post hundreds of links of MSM reporting that was wrong and had to be corrected or retracted, but it made Trump look bad. If MSM reporting was fair and balanced those corrections would be 50-50.

It is all just a circle jerk, MSM reports it, the fact checkers back it up, the retractions are made quietly.

 

[Blueone]

https://twitter.com/realjameswoods/status/1291073087891361792?s=21

Laugh you guys... you are getting too serious