Inverters

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2004 Sea Ray 280 Sundancer
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I know this question has been asked a lot, but can someone recommend a decent inverter to power up a couple devices. Looking to run the 24” TV, maybe make coffee, and the microwave. I have seen inverters installed that back feed an outlet. Not sure if that is a good way to go. I appreciate any suggestions thanks.
 
TV is one thing but, coffee maker is a continuous drain, microwave is shorter time drain but still a big draw... I have a Xantrex 3000 connected to my full 120v panel and 4 6v golf cart batteries for the supply. My big draws overnight are the fridge and ice maker, so if you are not supporting these two power hogs you can power your other stuff....?
 
I don’t know if I fit a bank of batteries the engine compartment doesn’t have much room. Thanks for the input!
 
Microwave and coffee...you'll need a dinghy to support the bank of batteries you'll need :)

Do you have an alcohol stove? If not, you'd be better off buying a low cost grill and a camp coffee maker for the coffee.

The microwave is a huge draw on our boat. I have to be selective on loads when I run mine with a 7KW generator running. You probably really do need a boat the size of The Bill Collector to hold enough batteries to run that thing.
 
I don’t know if I fit a bank of batteries the engine compartment doesn’t have much room. Thanks for the input!
The issue with a recommendation is it's unknown what the maximum load and duration of that load. The basis for sizing and installing an inverter isn't really that simple but from a safety perspective needs to be done correctly and per the book. If you do a search with my forum name you will find several installations and the basis for those. But to answer your question I would assume you are trying to simultaneously operate the listed appliances which is a very large load so mathematically lets say the microwave is 1500 watts, coffee maker is 600 watts and television is 25 watts which all together is 2125 watts. As these operate at 120 VAC that then is a current draw of 17.7 Amps. These loads are a combination of inductive and resistive but for simplicity let's use a power factor of 1. Let's go back to the energy required (2125 watts); inverters have an efficiency rating which is close to 90% then you want to keep below the maximum rated capability so another 10%. So the overall demand for sizing including inefficiency would be 2125 + 212.5 = 2337.5 + 233.8 = 2537.3 watts; therefore a 3000 Watt inverter would work just fine. So, the inverter's maximum battery demand at 12VDC will be right around 214 Amps. You can now calculate the DC cable sizing and fusing which is dependent upon the cable lengths. Now for battery bank sizing. Let's say you want a battery bank to support for 24 hours between recharging. Assume for this that the microwave will operate a total of 20 minutes per day the coffee maker 2 hours per day and the television for 3 hours per day. So for the microwave that is 1500 / 120 = 12.5 Amps then 20/60*12.5= 4.2 Amp Hours at 120VAC then at 12VDC is 42AH. Now for the coffee maker it is 100AH and television is 6.3AH for a total of 148.25AH then add the inverter inefficiency factor which brings the total to 163.1AH; let's say 163AH. Lead Acid batteries can only be discharged to 50% Depth Of Discharge without causing permanent damage; let's keep that at 40% DOD so you will have a long battery life and some margin. This means, for example, a battery with 100AH advertised capability that 40AH is useable. Therefore you can see for a daily use of 163AH between recharge you will need 4 each 100AH batteries connected in parallel. The next issue then becomes the recharge - for a bank this size and depleted as shown above the recharge time will be close to 4 hours to get to a proper float with a battery charger capable of providing between 60 and 100 amps current during the absorption phase; you will need a good battery monitor to know the state of charge.
The configuration of the AC power side is of critical safety importance as you appear to want to use existing outlets on the boat. It is essential that both the hot and neutral conductors are directly connected to the inverter and not connected, joined or otherwise tied to any other AC power circuit.

So, As an Edit I would take a look at the Victron Multiplus 3000VA inverter/charger with a Victron BMV702 battery monitor.
 
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I followed Tom's lead and schematics (thanks Tom!) installing at 2800 Watt Magnum Pure Sine Wave inverter for the specific reason of being able to run TV's, coffee pot and microwave for about the amount of time he laid out above. Its a very good unit, is set up to switch to inverter as soon as the shore power or generator power is removed.

I love it for being able to do movies and making breakfast in a quiet cove without firing up the generator. But a good marine grade inverter is expensive, and you need a large battery bank to support it. You are going to have to be creative on where to install the inverter and the batteries on a 28 ft boat.

6V Golf cart batteries are great for the application and relatively inexpensive, but there are venting and maintenance considerations using them. I have seen some owners switch over to LiFePO batteries that eliminate some of these issues, but at a huge cost premium.

In the end, its a MAJOR project that needs to be engineered planned and installed correctly. There is a lot to it.
 
Thanks Gentlemen! I appreciate the input. Very informative!!!
 

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