Maretron DSM410 counter setup and display

[ttmott]

I'm curious if anyone has been able to set up a counter / timer using a RIM100 and display that data.
I just finished completely rebuilding the vacuflush systems on the boat. What I thought would be a great feature is to set up a counter and timer to record how many times the vacuum generator's cycle and their maximum cycle run times. I have some extra channels on a RIM100 that can be used for the indicator data source. The DSM manual alludes this can be done but the reference section they take you to isn't valid for the subject.
Thoughts? @alnav , @dtfeld , @SKybolt ???

 

[Riptide III]

Wow! You are ambitious and many steps ahead of me and my maretron quest

 

[Skybolt]

I'm curious if anyone has been able to set up a counter / timer using a RIM100 and display that data.
I just finished completely rebuilding the vacuflush systems on the boat. What I thought would be a great feature is to set up a counter and timer to record how many times the vacuum generator's cycle and their maximum cycle run times. I have some extra channels on a RIM100 that can be used for the indicator data source. The DSM manual alludes this can be done but the reference section they take you to isn't valid for the subject.
Thoughts? @alnav , @dtfeld , @SKybolt ???

I think it is quite doable, I know you can setup a bilge pump counter so why not for that as well? I haven't done that yet but is on my to do list. The RIM 100 has built in counters and I think you just enable them for an input.

This is from the DSM410 manual:
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4.2.16 Indicator
Status – displays the on/off status of an indicator

Hardware OFF Counter – displays the value of a hardware counter in Maretron’s DCR100, SIM100 and RIM100 that count the number of the times the indicator has transitioned to the OFF state. This counter may be reset with the control mode of the display – see Section 5.2.7.14 for details)

Hardware ON Counter – displays the value of a hardware counter in Maretron’s DCR100, SIM100 and RIM100 that count the number of the times the indicator has transitioned to the ON state. This counter may be reset with the control mode of the display – see Section 5.2.7.14 for details)

Hardware ERROR Counter – displays the value of a hardware counter in Maretron’s DCR100, SIM100 and RIM100 that count the number of the times the indicator has transitioned to the ERROR state. This counter may be reset with the control mode of the display – see Section 5.2.7.14 for details)

Hardware OFF Timer – displays the value of a hardware timer in Maretron’s DCR100, SIM100 and RIM100 that accumulates the elapsed time that the indicator has spent in the OFF state. This timer may be reset with the control mode of the display – see Section 5.2.7.14 for details)

Hardware ON Timer – displays the value of a hardware timer in Maretron’s DCR100, SIM100 and RIM100 that accumulates the elapsed time that the indicator has spent in the ON state. This timer may be reset with the control mode of the display – see Section 5.2.7.14 for details)

Hardware ERROR Timer – displays the value of a hardware timer in Maretron’s DCR100, SIM100 and RIM100 that accumulates the elapsed time that the indicator has spent in the ERROR state. This timer may be reset with the control mode of the display – see Section 5.2.7.14 for details)

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[ttmott]

I think it is quite doable, I know you can setup a bilge pump counter so why not for that as well? I haven't done that yet but is on my to do list. The RIM 100 has built in counters and I think you just enable them for an input.

This is from the DSM410 manual:
'=========================================
4.2.16 Indicator
Status – displays the on/off status of an indicator
Hardware ON Counter – displays the value of a hardware counter in Maretron’s DCR100, SIM100 and RIM100 that count the number of the times the indicator has transitioned to the ON state. This counter may be reset with the control mode of the display – see Section 5.2.7.14 for details)

Hardware ON Timer – displays the value of a hardware timer in Maretron’s DCR100, SIM100 and RIM100 that accumulates the elapsed time that the indicator has spent in the ON state. This timer may be reset with the control mode of the display – see Section 5.2.7.14 for details)

That's where I was but 5.2.7.14 is nothing to with the subject...

 

[Skybolt]

That's where I was but 5.2.7.14 is nothing to with the subject...

The counter has to be setup in the RIM100 page of configuration. Possibly through N2KAnalyzer only. I am going to the boat in a little while and will look at both to confirm. I'll post a pic or two if can.

Looks like only through N2KAnalyzer:

https://www.maretron.com/support/manuals/N2KAnalyzer_UM_3.2.0.html#_Toc94519027

Then you need to display them on the 410. This is from the emulator for the 250.

 

[ttmott]

The counter has to be setup in the RIM100 page of configuration. Possibly through N2KAnalyzer only. I am going to the boat in a little while and will look at both to confirm. I'll post a pic or two if can.

Looks like only through N2KAnalyzer:

https://www.maretron.com/support/manuals/N2KAnalyzer_UM_3.2.0.html#_Toc94519027

Then you need to display them on the 410. This is from the emulator for the 250.

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Great, Thanks!

 

[Skybolt]

Great, Thanks!

Let us know how this works out, I am very interested in this. I won't have time until this weekend to try this out possibly. I am hoping the counters can use the same input as the status and don't need an additional input. But this can be very useful for sure.

 

[ttmott]

Wow! You are ambitious and many steps ahead of me and my maretron quest

I'm finding out now that much of the data from my Victron Cerbo Gx based power system can be displayed on the Maretron also - more and more....

 

[ttmott]

Let us know how this works out, I am very interested in this. I won't have time until this weekend to try this out possibly. I am hoping the counters can use the same input as the status and don't need an additional input. But this can be very useful for sure.

My issue is I don't have the N2K Analyzer interface if that is what is required to program the DSM for a counter/timer. Hope it's not needed.
Let me know what you find out!

Thanks

 

[Skybolt]

My issue is I don't have the N2K Analyzer interface if that is what is required to program the DSM for a counter/timer. Hope it's not needed.
Let me know what you find out!'

Thanks

I believe it is from what I read. I will look at the config on 410 and see if it is there or not. Going to the boat in a few minutes.

 

[Skybolt]

I set this up in minutes, and it seems to work ok. I say ok because in less then 5 min of testing I saw some things I didn't like. I used my aft bilge pump to test this with and was able to turn on/off to increment the counter. I did this while displaying the counter screen and while another screen was displayed.

While the counter screen is displayed it works as expected and incremented correctly with the label displayed. Scroll to another screen and then cycle the pump and then back to the counter screen and sometimes the count would not display until the pump was cycled while the counter was displayed. Scrolling back to the counter screen did not always display the label either. But hey that was only 5 minutes of testing this. I didn't really give the bus time to refresh and perhaps it would only take 30 or so seconds to refresh correctly. I did not give it that much time.

Screens:
Rim 100 configuration, looks like the counter is already enabled. I don't think I enabled them when I set the RIM 100 up.

Setting up the counter display is 123.

Counter screen:

 

[ttmott]

Spectacular! thanks!
That was too easy.

BTW that "reset Counter" and reset Timer" are control buttons not for enabling. If you enter Control Mode those buttons, as I understand it, reset the timer/counter.

 

[bbwhitejr]

Y’all have way too much time on your hands…..Why not build and sell the Maretron Systems instead?

I really am intrigued by all of this…just wish I was smart enough….



Bennett

 

[dtfeld]

Y’all have way too much time on your hands…..Why not build and sell the Maretron Systems instead?

I really am intrigued by all of this…just wish I was smart enough….



Bennett

I disagree...You just figured out the i50...

 

[Skybolt]

Spectacular! thanks!
That was too easy.

BTW that "reset Counter" and reset Timer" are control buttons not for enabling. If you enter Control Mode those buttons, as I understand it, reset the timer/counter.

Yeah there is a timer function that can count how long the on/off cycle is. That has to be setup using N2KAnalyzer. The reset counter, I tested that one. At first my count was 65535 (max integer value) but reset to zero and worked great. The reset can be done from the config screen as well.

 

[Skybolt]

Y’all have way too much time on your hands…..Why not build and sell the Maretron Systems instead?

I really am intrigued by all of this…just wish I was smart enough….



Bennett

Maretron already does that. But the man hours needed to customize the setup is cost prohibitive for most to pay for, not to mention the wiring time. I already put in weeks of time wiring all this stuff up not to mention there is nothing here that is plug and play.

So this exercise today was easy because it was already setup and just needed some programming.

This counter is great for a lot of things, but really excels at bilge pump cycles that can be viewed remotely if you have that setup already. Makes winter storage in the water a little easier.

 

[ttmott]

For the benefit of others and the reason -
It would be a nice feature to know there is a problem with the Vacuflush system; most problems are related with vacuum leaks and the pumps beating themselves to death cycling all day long. Problems can manifest in something getting lodged in the duckbill valves, a leak developing in a hose, failed vacuum switch, failed bellows, a leak on the toilet - a multitude of issues we all deal with.
So, if we could see a display of how many times the pump has come on and turned off the issue could be corrected preventing the system from wearing itself out.
So, going back to a thread I started on replacing and improving the SR Systems Monitor, that arrangement is perfectly set up to add the counting on the vacuum pump cycling. All that is needed is a channel on the Maretron RIM100 to interface with the vacuum switch on the vacuum pump and a bit of configuration as @SKybolt took us through above.

 

[techmitch]

For the benefit of others and the reason -
It would be a nice feature to know there is a problem with the Vacuflush system; most problems are related with vacuum leaks and the pumps beating themselves to death cycling all day long. Problems can manifest in something getting lodged in the duckbill valves, a leak developing in a hose, failed vacuum switch, failed bellows, a leak on the toilet - a multitude of issues we all deal with.
So, if we could see a display of how many times the pump has come on and turned off the issue could be corrected preventing the system from wearing itself out.
So, going back to a thread I started on replacing and improving the SR Systems Monitor, that arrangement is perfectly set up to add the counting on the vacuum pump cycling. All that is needed is a channel on the Maretron RIM100 to interface with the vacuum switch on the vacuum pump and a bit of configuration as @SKybolt took us through above.

What, no vacuum sensors to monitor? Lol

 

[ttmott]

Maretron already does that. But the man hours needed to customize the setup is cost prohibitive for most to pay for, not to mention the wiring time. I already put in weeks of time wiring all this stuff up not to mention there is nothing here that is plug and play.

So this exercise today was easy because it was already setup and just needed some programming.

This counter is great for a lot of things, but really excels at bilge pump cycles that can be viewed remotely if you have that setup already. Makes winter storage in the water a little easier.

More importantly is count rate. How about a graph showing count over time?

What, no vacuum sensors to monitor? Lol

Hmmmmm......

 

[Skybolt]

For the benefit of others and the reason -
It would be a nice feature to know there is a problem with the Vacuflush system; most problems are related with vacuum leaks and the pumps beating themselves to death cycling all day long. Problems can manifest in something getting lodged in the duckbill valves, a leak developing in a hose, failed vacuum switch, failed bellows, a leak on the toilet - a multitude of issues we all deal with.
So, if we could see a display of how many times the pump has come on and turned off the issue could be corrected preventing the system from wearing itself out.
So, going back to a thread I started on replacing and improving the SR Systems Monitor, that arrangement is perfectly set up to add the counting on the vacuum pump cycling. All that is needed is a channel on the Maretron RIM100 to interface with the vacuum switch on the vacuum pump and a bit of configuration as @SKybolt took us through above.

Tom, what are thinking of triggering on, the vacuum switch? It would be nice if there could be an alarm or warning go off if the cycle does not complete in a set amount of time (Vacuum recovery). I am using the DCR100 for alarms and warnings. It would be pretty easy to assign a warning to that if there was a counter timeout or something.