Recall Gretchen Whitmer - Michigan

Iprof said:
Your first two links are alleged not proven. Third gives me pop-up but its not Presidential election.
Here's a link to Trumps FBI director.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/policy/technology/518095-fbi-director-casts-doubt-on-concerns-over-mail-in-voting-fraud?amp
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...ector-for-playing-down-mail-voting-fraud/amp/

We shall see in 22 days I will tell you TOLD YOU SO
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Again with the childish nonsense. Alleged??? Democrats being arrested for ballot fraud in dem states doesn't pass your test? They have to be convicted first or plead guilty....then you will believe it? That is just patently absurd that you have to wait for a court verdict to understand a serious problem.

My wife and I have rental property in DC. So far we have sent back 12 ballots for former tenants who lived their 5-10 years ago. That is ridiculous. The mailman told us 1,000s of ballots are piling up in mailboxes throughout the City. The potential for fraud is so great we may see more votes than we have residents in the City.

You may not care about it but others do. Anyone who has worked registered voter lists knows this is a major problem if you blindly mail to that list. The lists never get cleaned up and in an area that is transient ......it is more wrong than it is right.

It isn't a surprise that every dem led State decided to mail ballots to their registered voter lists. If they truly cared about the process....they would have mailed a "Request for Absentee Ballot" to each of their voters. The only reason you would not follow that process is if you had "activists" willing to fraudulently fill them out and send them in.

In regards to 22 days....we shall see.
 
PlayDate said:
Again with the childish nonsense. Alleged??? Democrats being arrested for ballot fraud in dem states doesn't pass your test? They have to be convicted first or plead guilty....then you will believe it? That is just patently absurd that you have to wait for a court verdict to understand a serious problem.

My wife and I have rental property in DC. So far we have sent back 12 ballots for former tenants who lived their 5-10 years ago. That is ridiculous. The mailman told us 1,000s of ballots are piling up in mailboxes throughout the City. The potential for fraud is so great we may see more votes than we have residents in the City.

You may not care about it but others do. Anyone who has worked registered voter lists knows this is a major problem if you blindly mail to that list. The lists never get cleaned up and in an area that is transient ......it is more wrong than it is right.

It isn't a surprise that every dem led State decided to mail ballots to their registered voter lists. If they truly cared about the process....they would have mailed a "Request for Absentee Ballot" to each of their voters. The only reason you would not follow that process is if you had "activists" willing to fraudulently fill them out and send them in.

In regards to 22 days....we shall see.
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Lol you don't know how mail in ballots work. You could have 1,000 ballots but only 1 ballot will be counted for you. The FBI investigation under Trump with his appointee said no mail in voter fraud has been discovered in Presidential elections.
 
PlayDate said:
Frankly I can say what I want....the way I want. You on the other hand continue to exhibit an argumentative position on anything that does not fit your trolling narrative.

Do you really think anyone cares in the US what a citizen of Canada thinks about our election? If you do that is laughable regardless if you have relatives in the US.

The story is simple....I will generalize....the dems are losing this election because they ran terrible candidates, on giveaways to everyone with a cacophony of hate towards Trump for four years. Even with all the US media on their side.......they will lose which makes their supporters bitter and angry. Reap the whirlwind.

23 days to go.
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I am not trying to be argumentative, but seems I am touching a nerve. I guess because I am from Canada, and only have relatives (including my son) that it doesn’t matter what I think. That’s OK, you can ignore me if you want.

My first comment in this thread was about the fact that some people seem to think that the far right will be justified in taking armed action if Trump loses this election. Maybe not directly, but indirectly. Those that would not kidnap a governor themselves, but hypocritically, and dangerously, support the militia by say things like “I don’t support violence, but that is what happens when a governor.....”. Its nuts. Its the same for left and right, but the big difference is that the POTUS is doing it on the right. Only the radical left is doing it on the left.

Its very sad to see the US coming to this. I truly love Canada, but there are republican principles that I love about the US. The only socialist part of me is my view on health care. I am fully supportive of lower taxes, smaller government, less handouts/freebies. Freedom of speech and religion. But those that think that the constitution allows a property elected government to be overthrown by the minority that did not win the election, are not Americans IMO.

Oh, and by the way. I predict that Trump will lose this election and that the GOP will finally get its spine back and will find a new strong leader that can actually bring the dignity and respect that the POTUS deserves. BUt meanwhile, you will have to deal with 4 years of a democratic POTUS. And you will have DJT to thank for it.
 
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PlayDate said:
Again with the childish nonsense. Alleged??? Democrats being arrested for ballot fraud in dem states doesn't pass your test? They have to be convicted first or plead guilty....then you will believe it? That is just patently absurd that you have to wait for a court verdict to understand a serious problem.

My wife and I have rental property in DC. So far we have sent back 12 ballots for former tenants who lived their 5-10 years ago. That is ridiculous. The mailman told us 1,000s of ballots are piling up in mailboxes throughout the City. The potential for fraud is so great we may see more votes than we have residents in the City.

You may not care about it but others do. Anyone who has worked registered voter lists knows this is a major problem if you blindly mail to that list. The lists never get cleaned up and in an area that is transient ......it is more wrong than it is right.

It isn't a surprise that every dem led State decided to mail ballots to their registered voter lists. If they truly cared about the process....they would have mailed a "Request for Absentee Ballot" to each of their voters. The only reason you would not follow that process is if you had "activists" willing to fraudulently fill them out and send them in.

In regards to 22 days....we shall see.
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John your statement on mail/in absentee voting is not completely correct. At least one state, Mass, followed a process of mailing absentee ballot questionnaires to registered voters, as well as making them available through municipal/ town clerks to those who were unregistered after registering.
 
Iprof said:
Lol you don't know how mail in ballots work. You could have 1,000 ballots but only 1 ballot will be counted for you. The FBI investigation under Trump with his appointee said no mail in voter fraud has been discovered in Presidential elections.
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That is simply not a true statement. We do not have a National Voting Database. If you moved which our tenants have to another State, anyone can fill their DC ballot out and send it in. Our former tenants will be voting in their new State unaware someone filled out and sent in their DC ballot. There is no check for that and that is THE ISSUE.

If the former tenants moved somewhere else in DC then there is a check to ensure they don't vote twice in DC. That's why Trump was fine with someone sending in a ballot and also showing up to vote in the same State. The State system should prevent someone from voting twice in their State.

You like so many have confused Mass Mail Out Ballots with Absentee (perhaps on purpose). Absentee ballots are sent on request by the voter.....Mass Mail out Ballots are unrequested by the voter and simply show up based on outdated voter rolls. It doesn't take a leap of faith to believe that collecting a couple of thousand unopened ballots and filling them out could change a local election. That is exactly what happened in the recent cases of voter fraud cited previously.

I really don't care what the FBI thinks.....we picked up 5 more Mass Mail Out DC Ballots today for former tenants who moved out of DC years ago.

We returned them to the Post Office.
 
Henry Boyd said:
John your statement on mail/in absentee voting is not completely correct. At least one state, Mass, followed a process of mailing absentee ballot questionnaires to registered voters, as well as making them available through municipal/ town clerks to those who were unregistered after registering.
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I agree. Massachusetts got it right. Colorado, Oregon, Utah, Hawaii, Washington State and DC got it wrong.
 
PlayDate said:
That is simply not a true statement. We do not have a National Voting Database. If you moved which our tenants have to another State, anyone can fill their DC ballot out and send it in. Our former tenants will be voting in their new State unaware someone filled out and sent in their DC ballot. There is no check for that and that is THE ISSUE.

If the former tenants moved somewhere else in DC then there is a check to ensure they don't vote twice in DC. That's why Trump was fine with someone sending in a ballot and also showing up to vote in the same State. The State system should prevent someone from voting twice in their State.

You like so many have confused Mass Mail Out Ballots with Absentee (perhaps on purpose). Absentee ballots are sent on request by the voter.....Mass Mail out Ballots are unrequested by the voter and simply show up based on outdated voter rolls. It doesn't take a leap of faith to believe that collecting a couple of thousand unopened ballots and filling them out could change a local election. That is exactly what happened in the recent cases of voter fraud cited previously.

I really don't care what the FBI thinks.....we picked up 5 more Mass Mail Out DC Ballots today for former tenants who moved out of DC years ago.

We returned them to the Post Office.
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No you cannot use more than 1 mail in ballot that has been confirmed by the government. But you are feeding Trumps HUTA by posting that BS.
 
PlayDate said:
Simple answer.....both Parties know how to cheat. Only one does it and claims impunity or ignorance when caught.
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LMFAO how could you type that with a straight face. To funny.

Watching the NFL and laughing at your post.
 
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Creekwood said:
Oh, and by the way. I predict that Trump will lose this election and that the GOP will finally get its spine back and will find a new strong leader that can actually bring the dignity and respect that the POTUS deserves. BUt meanwhile, you will have to deal with 4 years of a democratic POTUS. And you will have DJT to thank for it.
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That's just laughable. The GOP hasn't had a spine since Regan. They have become a party of hacks who are just in it for the money and notoriety. They want to be liked by the media and go on all the cable shows. The establishment Republican party is a bunch of frauds. After 30 years, what makes you think they'll find their spine now?
 
Iprof said:
So why is it Republicans believe that voter fraud is only committed by Democrat voters. Are Republicans telling me that Democrats were smart enough to figure out how to vote more than once but GOP voters aren't that smart. :rolleyes::eek::D
Well maybe I'm right.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1QG2FS
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Chicago Democrats perfected voter fraud. Here's how it works. They assign "the bag man." This is the guy who has several boxes of just in case Democrat ballots in the trunk of his car. He sits in the dark alley awaiting the call. As the votes are counted, if the chosen candidate doesn't have enough votes, they make the call and suddenly all these ballots are "found" and you'll never guess who wins. Usually happens late at night after most are in bed sleeping.
 
Golfman25 said:
That's just laughable. The GOP hasn't had a spine since Regan. They have become a party of hacks who are just in it for the money and notoriety. They want to be liked by the media and go on all the cable shows. The establishment Republican party is a bunch of frauds. After 30 years, what makes you think they'll find their spine now?
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Lol your hating both parties now
 
Golfman25 said:
That's just laughable. The GOP hasn't had a spine since Regan. They have become a party of hacks who are just in it for the money and notoriety. They want to be liked by the media and go on all the cable shows. The establishment Republican party is a bunch of frauds. After 30 years, what makes you think they'll find their spine now?
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Wishful thinking.
 
Iprof said:
No you cannot use more than 1 mail in ballot that has been confirmed by the government. But you are feeding Trumps HUTA by posting that BS.
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One of two things is true:
-Either you cannot comprehend the problem of mailing live ballots to outdated voting rolls with recent examples of ballot harvesting and fraud.
-You purposely look the other way based on the dem narrative that: "no problem exists"

I'm not sure which reason you identify with...but if it makes you feel better to support players kneeling for "social justice" during the National Anthem......I'm pretty sure the joke is on you.

For the rest of us.......21 Days to go and another Supreme Court Justice to confirm.
 
PlayDate said:
One of two things is true:
-Either you cannot comprehend the problem of mailing live ballots to outdated voting rolls with recent examples of ballot harvesting and fraud.
-You purposely look the other way based on the dem narrative that: "no problem exists"

I'm not sure which reason you identify with...but if it makes you feel better to support players kneeling for "social justice" during the National Anthem......I'm pretty sure the joke is on you.

For the rest of us.......21 Days to go and another Supreme Court Justice to confirm.
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There is no problem with mail in ballots its a Trump hoax that the HUTA are spewing. Not 1 federal investigation has shown a problem. Trumps own commission on voter fraud found nothing.
Great game last night down to the wire and the Dolphins won just a great day.

  • Jan. 3, 2018
WASHINGTON — President Trump on Wednesday abruptly shut down a White House commission he had charged with investigating voter fraud, ending a brief quest for evidence of election theft that generated lawsuits, outrage and some scholarly testimony, but no real evidence that American elections are corrupt.
 
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Iprof said:
There is no problem with mail in ballots its a Trump hoax that the HUTA are spewing. Not 1 federal investigation has shown a problem. Trumps own commission on voter fraud found nothing.
Great game last night down to the wire and the Dolphins won just a great day.

  • Jan. 3, 2018
WASHINGTON — President Trump on Wednesday abruptly shut down a White House commission he had charged with investigating voter fraud, ending a brief quest for evidence of election theft that generated lawsuits, outrage and some scholarly testimony, but no real evidence that American elections are corrupt.
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A problem now, maybe not. Prone to problems, quite possibly. Things rushed into it generally don't turn out well. Salesmen and politicians telling us to hurry and act now is not a good formula for success IMO.
 
Iprof said:
There is no problem with mail in ballots its a Trump hoax that the HUTA are spewing. Not 1 federal investigation has shown a problem. Trumps own commission on voter fraud found nothing.
Great game last night down to the wire and the Dolphins won just a great day.

  • Jan. 3, 2018
WASHINGTON — President Trump on Wednesday abruptly shut down a White House commission he had charged with investigating voter fraud, ending a brief quest for evidence of election theft that generated lawsuits, outrage and some scholarly testimony, but no real evidence that American elections are corrupt.
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Talk about having your HUTA. Lack of past corruption has nothing to do with future corruption. Instead of telling me we haven't found any evidence, you don't you tell me what protections are in place to prevent fraud. The fact is, the more touch points you have with the ballots, the more potential for fraud. Mailed ballots have a lot of touch points as compared with voting at the polls.
 
Lol so it's proven mail in voting is safe and no voter fraud but you claim that there could be at some point. The safe guards must be in place because Trumps commission could not find any problems. It's just the HUTA group trying to make excuses for the Nov results.
 
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