58 Sedan Bridge Official Thread

So, as most of you know, we had to put in a completely new dock after Ian. My design was 65' from property line to a chickee hut sitting area. Now that the boat is back, the anchor is right at the property line, and we have about a foot and a half to two feed behind the swim platform. That should make it around 63.5 feet before the dink overhang.

Ken
 
So, as most of you know, we had to put in a completely new dock after Ian. My design was 65' from property line to a chickee hut sitting area. Now that the boat is back, the anchor is right at the property line, and we have about a foot and a half to two feed behind the swim platform. That should make it around 63.5 feet before the dink overhang.

Ken
Sounds about right. Not wanting to sound pretentious, I usually just tell folks she’s “about” 63’ overall
 
First time posting on these forums in over a decade. Had our 1997 500 Sundancer until last year (18 years of ownership), and we just closed today on a 2008 58 DB with 900 MANs @ 1,050 hours. Blue hull.

Knowing that I need to learn about the new boat and her systems, I signed in today and saw this model-specific thread and have spent almost all night reading the 93+ pages. This is all awesome information!

As I start to learn the boat, be patient with me as I am probably going to sound stupid. I do not even have physical possession of the manuals yet(!)
 
First time posting on these forums in over a decade. Had our 1997 500 Sundancer until last year (18 years of ownership), and we just closed today on a 2008 58 DB with 900 MANs @ 1,050 hours. Blue hull.

Knowing that I need to learn about the new boat and her systems, I signed in today and saw this model-specific thread and have spent almost all night reading the 93+ pages. This is all awesome information!

As I start to learn the boat, be patient with me as I am probably going to sound stupid. I do not even have physical possession of the manuals yet(!)
Congrats and I have a 2000 510 Sundancer and one day hope to get the 58 sedan bridge. Enjoy and be safe
 
First time posting on these forums in over a decade. Had our 1997 500 Sundancer until last year (18 years of ownership), and we just closed today on a 2008 58 DB with 900 MANs @ 1,050 hours. Blue hull.

Knowing that I need to learn about the new boat and her systems, I signed in today and saw this model-specific thread and have spent almost all night reading the 93+ pages. This is all awesome information!

As I start to learn the boat, be patient with me as I am probably going to sound stupid. I do not even have physical possession of the manuals yet(!)
Welcome aboard. No one here on the 58DB thread will think you or your questions are stupid. Looks like you are from Cleveland? Is your new 58 a Great Lakes boat?
 
Welcome aboard. No one here on the 58DB thread will think you or your questions are stupid. Looks like you are from Cleveland? Is your new 58 a Great Lakes boat?
Thanks for the welcome. Wife and I are empty-nesters, live in Avon Lake OH, members at CYC (Cleveland Yachting Club) in Rocky River, OH where we are very involved and down there several times a week, even in the winter....I am on the board there now. The club has ~850 members, ~375 docks, ~80 employees, and a 2-year waiting list for new members to get in....plus additional time beyond that to wait for a dock. Good problems to have...but we certainly have our hands full managing the place(!) I am the well-fed, white-bearded American on the far left in the back row of our 2024 board photo, below.

The new boat spent her first five years in salt...FL and NJ and then Great Lakes since 2013. She has been at CIC (Catawba Island Club) for the last five years. Prior owner had the aftercoolers (or whatever MAN calls them) done when he brought it to freshwater and the MAN guy here on Lake Erie has done the maintenance on her for the past few years. Getting the maintenance records was a spotty adventure early in its life...

The items on my survey and mechanical survey reads like a discussion list for this thread. The MAN displays are being removed this week, as one has weak display and may need to be completely replaced....new batteries for both, at a minimum. I got the seller cover this.

We have decided to name her Fortissimo. This is a nod to the musical talents of my entire family (except me) and that it translates into "very, very loud"...which is fitting for me.
 

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DOCK LINES | WHAT DIAMETER 5/8 or 3/4?

The first of what I expect to be many newbie questions....be patient with me(!)

We went out to the boat (about an hour from home) today for the first time as the new owners. We spent most of the afternoon going through all the stuff they left on the boat, throwing away a lot of owner-specific stuff (books, children's toys, etc...nothing important)...

The existing dock lines, while serviceable, are tired. I am going to replace all of them with blue lines to match the hull. The cleats on this boat are much larger and more heavy-duty than the ones on my old 50 Dancer.

I have already noticed in prior postings that I should get 15" or 18" eyes to accommodate the larger cleats on the boat. I plan on doing exactly that.

My question - what diameter and length? I am used to 5/8" but may be leaning towards the heavier-duty 3/4" lines...despite the fact that they are usually more challenging to cleat off to transient dock cleats, which as we all know, can be pretty frail sometimes. Thoughts on diameter?

I am also curious about length. I am a fan of one standard length for all lines on a boat. Defender has both the 5/8" and 3/4" in a standard length of 40"....but intuition is telling me that 45' is more appropriate.

If you had to buy all new lines for the this boat all over again what would you do and why?
 
DOCK LINES | WHAT DIAMETER 5/8 or 3/4?

The first of what I expect to be many newbie questions....be patient with me(!)

We went out to the boat (about an hour from home) today for the first time as the new owners. We spent most of the afternoon going through all the stuff they left on the boat, throwing away a lot of owner-specific stuff (books, children's toys, etc...nothing important)...

The existing dock lines, while serviceable, are tired. I am going to replace all of them with blue lines to match the hull. The cleats on this boat are much larger and more heavy-duty than the ones on my old 50 Dancer.

I have already noticed in prior postings that I should get 15" or 18" eyes to accommodate the larger cleats on the boat. I plan on doing exactly that.

My question - what diameter and length? I am used to 5/8" but may be leaning towards the heavier-duty 3/4" lines...despite the fact that they are usually more challenging to cleat off to transient dock cleats, which as we all know, can be pretty frail sometimes. Thoughts on diameter?

I am also curious about length. I am a fan of one standard length for all lines on a boat. Defender has both the 5/8" and 3/4" in a standard length of 40"....but intuition is telling me that 45' is more appropriate.

If you had to buy all new lines for the this boat all over again what would you do and why?
5/8" double braid is adequate. 3/4" is a big line and gets to be a bit of a challenge on the boat's cleats. I have two sets of lines, really many more with all of the lines under the cockpit seat. One set stays with the slip and always on the dock cleats and poles; four are cross ties aft and forward and two are spring lines. One thing - on our boat's bollard style cleats, I had a bit of a learning curve figuring out how to secure lines to them and not have them slip. You'll have to get that figured out. I think most of my lines are 30' but I have some shorter and some longer....
 
We use 3/4" twisted lines on our home dock and 5/8" twisted and braided for our transient lines. We double the 3/4" lines for storms. I can get two on each cleat. During Ian, we had two that parted during the storm and several others with significant chaffing (20 lines total).

Ken
 
We usually use 5/8" x 35' double braid lines, two colors, one for bow and stern and another for spring lines. That size is partly because my Admiral can't handle 3/4" x longer lines very well... and longer gets a bit fiddly anyway.

Mostly the color thing is about guests who don't know the different line functions... so we can just say "attach the gold line" or some such.

We're also getting some 3/4" x 50' 3-strand to have on hand for storm tie-ups. Better stretch, and I can sometimes run the longer lines to both directions to the dock. In that circumstance, we'd use combinations of 3/4" and 5/8" with multiple lines on each cleat.

For storms, we can get three 5/8" lines on each cleat, if we use two of the 5/8" loops at the boat end and a cleat hitch for the third line. If the cleat hitch on the third line is in the middle somewhere, I can run each end to different dock cleats. Hoping I can do the same with two 5/8" lines and one of the new 3/4" lines.

-Chris
 
@Sua Sponte , you’ll get lots of varying input to your question. Here’s my setup…

I use 5/8” at my home port because it’s a pretty safe protected harbor with floating docks in a no-wake area. Very little happens here in almost any weather condition due to being so well protected.

I use 3/4” mostly when traveling, and again, based on the layout and location of the marina we visit. Some, like Sutton’s Bay, I could probably use 1/4” lines (exaggerating) as the marina is basically a mill-pond. Others, like Mackinac Island, I pull out the 3/4” due to prominent ferry surge, and extreme exposure to east and southeast winds and waves and fixed steel docks.
 
Started cleaning out the new-to-us boat and found a couple things that I cannot identify.

What is this?

First guess was a boarding bar, but it doesn't fit in the obvious holes. Second thought was an emergency rudder steering bar assembly (looking at the heavy-duty cogs on one end), like you find on sailboats, but cannot find where it would be inserted(?). Anyone know what this is?

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Started cleaning out the new-to-us boat and found a couple things that I cannot identify.

What is this?

First guess was a boarding bar, but it doesn't fit in the obvious holes. Second thought was an emergency rudder steering bar assembly (looking at the heavy-duty cogs on one end), like you find on sailboats, but cannot find where it would be inserted(?). Anyone know what this is?

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Do you have rod holders? Looks like it fits into them. The crossing stops spinning.

Ken
 
First time posting on these forums in over a decade. Had our 1997 500 Sundancer until last year (18 years of ownership), and we just closed today on a 2008 58 DB with 900 MANs @ 1,050 hours. Blue hull.

Knowing that I need to learn about the new boat and her systems, I signed in today and saw this model-specific thread and have spent almost all night reading the 93+ pages. This is all awesome information!

As I start to learn the boat, be patient with me as I am probably going to sound stupid. I do not even have physical possession of the manuals yet(!)
Don’t feel stupid! it was new to all of us at some point! This is a great forum! FYI ill be posting in a few minutes on our hydraulic platform adjustment. :D
 
For those of you who helped me out on the direction for the hydraulic platform adjustment THANK YOU! Here is a pic after the divers and our tech did the adjustments while it was in the water. I’m much happier with it now.
 

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Also, here are a couple pics of the new captains walk completed on our property that allowed me to move it from the marina to the house full time. Next up is a complete isinglass replacement on the rear half. Other than that I have her in pretty much the shape I want her in. :D
 

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