AI and the Google influence

ttmott

ttmott

PhD in OCD
GOLD Sponsor
TECHNICAL Contributor
Apr 3, 2012
8,146
Space Coast Florida
Boat Info
2006 52 Sedan Bridge
Engines
Cummins QSM11
Like it or not, we all will be greatly influenced by the artificial intelligence revolution; even Club Searay will succumb to it - bots are making their presence known already.
What is interesting to me and knowing how Google is so cancerous to a healthy internet experience is that Google's Gemini AI debut appears to be a mirror of the company itself.
Sundar Pichai (CEO of Alphabet/Google) has tendered every excuse and path forward except looking within his company.

AI has the potential to bring so much good but Google has seriously damaged the concept.
Just my observations....
Thougts?
 
In its early iterations, A.I. was influenced by liberal bias. That bias will never be cleaned from A.I. programs in my opinion. Be aware that I know very little about the internet but I have noticed in my use of it that the bad components tend to get worse not better.
 
ttmott said:
Like it or not, we all will be greatly influenced by the artificial intelligence revolution; even Club Searay will succumb to it - bots are making their presence known already.
What is interesting to me and knowing how Google is so cancerous to a healthy internet experience is that Google's Gemini AI debut appears to be a mirror of the company itself.
Sundar Pichai (CEO of Alphabet/Google) has tendered every excuse and path forward except looking within his company.

AI has the potential to bring so much good but Google has seriously damaged the concept.
Just my observations....
Thougts?
Click to expand...
There are members using AI to craft their responses to other members.

I don't think Google will ever lose their progressive liberal bias and either will their AI.
 
ttmott said:
... AI has the potential to bring so much good but Google has seriously damaged the concept.
Just my observations....
Thougts?
Click to expand...

How so? I see AI as invasive to my privacy and a whole lot more, but why is it Googles fault?
 
Skybolt said:
How so? I see AI as invasive to my privacy and a whole lot more, but why is it Googles fault?
Click to expand...
AI has the capability to draw "intelligently" from almost all source information and to be a pragmatic critical thinking tool. The technology and how it "thinks" (at least in Google's case) as we are finding out contains a personality related to how it is developed and who developed it.
I didn't say it's Googles fault; whatever that is intended to mean. What I'm saying is, as it is a product of the developer and it's algorithms are a product also, in this case based upon query results, it appears to be a looking glass into the corporation and the corporation's social and behavior aspects. What I think we are finding out is you have to continue to be skeptical of the intent to eliminate the behavioral aspects of the company and developer from a tool like this. The Google CEO completely missed the mark on getting to the root of the issue. My opinion for what it's worth.
 
I'm leery of Ai, it's potential almost unimaginable, but it'll be abused/misused like other advances of the last 30yrs. You can bet ESG(environmental, social, governance), CSR(corporate social responsibility) and DEI(diversity, equity, inclusion) are part of it's algorithms parameters. Is it even possible for it to not be born with biases?
 
ttmott said:
AI has the capability to draw "intelligently" from almost all source information and to be a pragmatic critical thinking tool. The technology and how it "thinks" (at least in Google's case) as we are finding out contains a personality related to how it is developed and who developed it.
I didn't say it's Googles fault; whatever that is intended to mean. What I'm saying is, as it is a product of the developer and it's algorithms are a product also, in this case based upon query results, it appears to be a looking glass into the corporation and the corporation's social and behavior aspects. What I think we are finding out is you have to continue to be skeptical of the intent to eliminate the behavioral aspects of the company and developer from a tool like this. The Google CEO completely missed the mark on getting to the root of the issue. My opinion for what it's worth.
Click to expand...

Sorry, Googles fault was taken from "Google is so cancerous to a healthy internet"

The issue with AI is that it is focused on marketing and trying to data mine to the point of personal intrusion. Googles AI is open source and also leaves that to the advent of hackers. The intrusive nature of the AI is the form of BOT's and the data mining they do. hen your personal info is spread all over the iNet and pretty much anyone can find it.
 
It's a tool, use it when you have an application that needs it.
Also, it's not much more than an enhanced search engine on steroids with some natural language capabilities, once you peel away the marketing bs.

Creating an AI copilot that points at CSR provides a better search result than we have through the CSR search. Takes 5 mins to build and then you can ask questions like, "What oil should I use in a caterpillar 3116?", the result will provide a written summary of key information, "single viscosity instead of multi-viscosity due to viscosity enhancers...", etc and list the CSR posts as a reference...mostly from Dr Webster.
 
Magic said:
It's a tool, use it when you have an application that needs it.
Also, it's not much more than an enhanced search engine on steroids with some natural language capabilities, once you peel away the marketing bs.

Creating an AI copilot that points at CSR provides a better search result than we have through the CSR search. Takes 5 mins to build and then you can ask questions like, "What oil should I use in a caterpillar 3116?", the result will provide a written summary of key information, "single viscosity instead of multi-viscosity due to viscosity enhancers...", etc and list the CSR posts as a reference...mostly from Dr Webster.
Click to expand...
I'd like to agree in principle, but the tool was coded with what they thought subliminal undertows to bring forward the developer's culture and position regarding DEI and the other acronyms - whether you agree or not with their cultural aspects. But the use of the tool pulled the lid of the sewer manhole and exposed what they are about and what they are pushing and it's not a good thing for us.
Ramaswamy said it right - hit them in the pocketbook; it's the only way they will alter their position.
 
ttmott said:
I'd like to agree in principle, but the tool was coded with what they thought subliminal undertows to bring forward the developer's culture and position regarding DEI and the other acronyms - whether you agree or not with their cultural aspects. But the use of the tool pulled the lid of the sewer manhole and exposed what they are about and what they are pushing and it's not a good thing for us.
Ramaswamy said it right - hit them in the pocketbook; it's the only way they will alter their position.
Click to expand...

Couldn't agree more, but that's what you get from an advertising company (Google).
Btw, I wouldn't use Google (or Meta) for anything...they made their intentions clear long ago and if you do use them, you work for them...for free.
 
Skybolt said:
Sorry, Googles fault was taken from "Google is so cancerous to a healthy internet"

The issue with AI is that it is focused on marketing and trying to data mine to the point of personal intrusion. Googles AI is open source and also leaves that to the advent of hackers. The intrusive nature of the AI is the form of BOT's and the data mining they do. hen your personal info is spread all over the iNet and pretty much anyone can find it.
Click to expand...
I'll stand by "cancerous" - pull up any web site then look at it's source code. Spread throughout the code is Googleads insertions which autonomously get loaded in. CSR had a big problem with googleads but it seems to be cleaned up a bit. The user's experience gets diminished by both googleads pulling other web content into what you're looking at but also loading unwanted cookies onto your system further impacting your capabilities. Lastly and importantly, from a search aspect Google does not provide search to sites not a part of the Google "family". With all that said, Google is a no cost tool to users so they can do as they wish provided it doesn't adversely impact my needs. What's interesting is we have to have other third party software to rid ourselves of the Google nuisance which is there regardless the internet access package you are using.
 
@ttmott Cancerous - fault - It's been this way for quite sometime. Started with ie and MS. Then Google and Chrome took over and it was good for a wile until the mad advertising drive kicked in and now this with AI (BOT's) every where and in everything. Don't want to use Chrome, good luck most browsers are based on Chromes open source engine. MS Edge is fully based on Chrome. There are some that work well not based on Chromes engine but then you run into comparability issues.

Not sure what your calling Googleleads, but looking at the web source isn't going to show you the AI intrusion or bots unless hacked. It is only going to show you what is coming from the webserver. What you're seeing in the source is the built in advertising that was really bad when this new server was first published. The bots and AI interaction can be viewed through apps like wire shark, network sniffers and the like. Looking under the source tab will show you the page your looking at, the elements tab will show you what is running in the browser all of that is coming from the server. Unless your browser is infected ...

That said, I don't like where things are going either. The Googles web hasn't returned all of the possibilities for some time. The entire first page is mostly sponsored adds. Then to your point, you see only what google wants you to see. Bing is the same crap, but tailored to MS point of view. Ask is mostly malware.
 
Skybolt said:
@ttmott Cancerous - fault - It's been this way for quite sometime. Started with ie and MS. Then Google and Chrome took over and it was good for a wile until the mad advertising drive kicked in and now this with AI (BOT's) every where and in everything. Don't want to use Chrome, good luck most browsers are based on Chromes open source engine. MS Edge is fully based on Chrome. There are some that work well not based on Chromes engine but then you run into comparability issues.

Not sure what your calling Googleleads, but looking at the web source isn't going to show you the AI intrusion or bots unless hacked. It is only going to show you what is coming from the webserver. What you're seeing in the source is the built in advertising that was really bad when this new server was first published. The bots and AI interaction can be viewed through apps like wire shark, network sniffers and the like. Looking under the source tab will show you the page your looking at, the elements tab will show you what is running in the browser all of that is coming from the server. Unless your browser is infected ...

That said, I don't like where things are going either. The Googles web hasn't returned all of the possibilities for some time. The entire first page is mostly sponsored adds. Then to your point, you see only what google wants you to see. Bing is the same crap, but tailored to MS point of view. Ask is mostly malware.
Click to expand...
Yes things have been in place for some time - doesn't make them any more palatable.
A bit of a clarification -
googleads = google ads. When you initiate access to a web site like CSR google populates the site code with snippets (several lines of code) always prefaced with "googleads". There are tools site developers use to prevent the code intrusion. Conversely, there are web sites that allow the intrusion as it is part of their agreement with Google. As a test - view page source and scroll down the code - you may have to click on the Expand arrows to see it all. If your adblocker is off google will populate that code with external advertisers and content as google sees fit. There are others but Google is the most invasive.
 
ttmott said:
Yes things have been in place for some time - doesn't make them any more palatable.
A bit of a clarification -
googleads = google ads. When you initiate access to a web site like CSR google populates the site code with snippets (several lines of code) always prefaced with "googleads". There are tools site developers use to prevent the code intrusion. Conversely, there are web sites that allow the intrusion as it is part of their agreement with Google. As a test - view page source and scroll down the code - you may have to click on the Expand arrows to see it all. If your adblocker is off google will populate that code with external advertisers and content as google sees fit. There are others but Google is the most invasive.
Click to expand...

Yep, I actually work with this stuff for a living. But with commercial embedded communications equipment in NOC facilities. I try and stay away from this commercial iNet crap. Anyway all that is still coming from the server itself. But to your point Google has become the worst of late.
 
I see AI as having the potential to do great things but I also see the potential for it to be very dangerous. Very similar to social media. Was a great concept but it has made a 180 thanks to the bad apples out there. Social media has helped lead this country down the wrong path and I see AI doing the same
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Forum statistics

Threads
113,185
Messages
1,428,139
Members
61,094
Latest member
Linword
Back
Top