Boat needed some love this off season. (alt title: How to throw a checkbook in 1 easy step)

skibum

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Jul 30, 2007
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Perry Hall, MD
Boat Info
2005 Sundancer 260
Engines
496 Magnum HO
Posting this for the benefit of the wanna be boaters, and those currently considering buying a boat. Keep things like this in mind as you join our club.

I'm glad it's over. My boat turns 19 this year. She's got some wear and tear and a few battle scars, but overall she's in really good shape. Last season, she started taking on some water. It was not too bad at the beginning of the season, but it got significantly worse by late September when I called the end of my season. I'm in a high & dry marina, so I had my mechanic stop by and check it out when I first noticed it back in April. The bellows were about 8 years old but still intact, as was the shift cable boot. There was some water coming in through the swivel shaft seal. which I had replaced back in 2015 along with a new stainless steel swivel shaft. My cool fuel module was also starting to leak at the water line connections. My mechanic said at the time that it was okay to keep using it and he put me on the schedule to look at it near the end of the season. By late September, my bilge pump was pumping a couple of gallons out every 15 minutes or so. My mechanic pulled my engine and gave things a look over. I needed just about everything you can do to a drive. Bellows, shift cable, swivel shaft seal, trim senders, one of my trim cylinders was leaking and needed to be rebuild, and the gimbal ring was beginning to developing some slop. The little anode wire (looks like a paper clip) for the Mercathode also needed to be replaced. It was then that my mechanic pointed out that the transom assembly on my boat was not the correct one for the 496 HO engine installed in my boat. I am the 2nd owner. The boat was 2 years old when I bought it. I knew that it was sold with a 350 in it, and that the PO installed the big engine in it. Had no idea it needed a different transom assembly than a 350. At that point it was a no brainer. I got 18 good solid years out of it, so I made the call to replace the whole thing with the correct HP version of the transom assembly. I had them shrink wrap my boat, and gave them a check for $6k to cover the work they had done and to buy the new transom assembly. The mechanic shuts down for the winter and reopens in mid March.

Over the winter, I started accumulating parts. I figured that while the engine was out, I'd just go ahead and replace anything that was more difficult to do with the engine installed. I believe that I hold the world record for having the world's oldest 8.1 aluminum exhaust manifolds (yes, I actually got 18 seasons out of them - and they look like they were still good), so I ordered 2 complete exhaust manifold kits (~$1700), a new cool fuel module housing and the hose bib that connects to it(~$700), a new hot water heater and crossover kit (~$340), new spark plugs and wires (~$175), and 6 gallons of coolant (~$170). In for a penny, in for a pound, I also ordered the quiet motor conversion kit for my head since it was time to fix the bellows and replace the duck bills anyway ($327). Finally (so, I thought), I dropped off one of my props to get cleaned up because I forgot to raise my drive up a little bit a few times last season and the rear prop got dinged in the gravel when they set the boat on the rack. That one's on me. I know that can happen if I forget to raise it up a little. Oh... $236 for that.

When the mehanic reopened his shop, I stopped by and dropped off all of my parts. He got to work on it right away. I told him to give everything a thorough going over, and replace anything that looked marginal while he had it out. When he got all of the engine parts installed, he had the marina put my boat on a trailer and he took it to his shop. He removed the old transom assembly and installed the new one. When he removed the Y pipe from the old transom, he found another issue. Part of the flange was corroding away. It wasn't leaking yet, but you could tell by looking at it that it was only a matter of a couple of years before it would definitely become an issue. I don't plan on having this much work done again anytime soon, so I made the call for a new one ($1000).

She's all done but the test drive now (and the last $2400 for the mechanic). I should find out next week how it all works out. It's a bit of a roller coaster of emotion as you first get word that the engine has to come out and major work needs to be done, to the feeling that there is no end to where money needs to be thrown, to the anticipation of the call from the mechanic with additional problems, to the relief that all of the parts are back in place (and paid for), to the fingers and toes crossed anxiety of wondering if it will run properly after being all tore apart, or if it will be a season of working out little problems everywhere. Man... I need a drink.
 
Holy shit , boat buck 1 boat buck = $1000 cash or charge.
 
Posting this for the benefit of the wanna be boaters, and those currently considering buying a boat. Keep things like this in mind as you join our club.

I'm glad it's over. My boat turns 19 this year. She's got some wear and tear and a few battle scars, but overall she's in really good shape. Last season, she started taking on some water. It was not too bad at the beginning of the season, but it got significantly worse by late September when I called the end of my season. I'm in a high & dry marina, so I had my mechanic stop by and check it out when I first noticed it back in April. The bellows were about 8 years old but still intact, as was the shift cable boot. There was some water coming in through the swivel shaft seal. which I had replaced back in 2015 along with a new stainless steel swivel shaft. My cool fuel module was also starting to leak at the water line connections. My mechanic said at the time that it was okay to keep using it and he put me on the schedule to look at it near the end of the season. By late September, my bilge pump was pumping a couple of gallons out every 15 minutes or so. My mechanic pulled my engine and gave things a look over. I needed just about everything you can do to a drive. Bellows, shift cable, swivel shaft seal, trim senders, one of my trim cylinders was leaking and needed to be rebuild, and the gimbal ring was beginning to developing some slop. The little anode wire (looks like a paper clip) for the Mercathode also needed to be replaced. It was then that my mechanic pointed out that the transom assembly on my boat was not the correct one for the 496 HO engine installed in my boat. I am the 2nd owner. The boat was 2 years old when I bought it. I knew that it was sold with a 350 in it, and that the PO installed the big engine in it. Had no idea it needed a different transom assembly than a 350. At that point it was a no brainer. I got 18 good solid years out of it, so I made the call to replace the whole thing with the correct HP version of the transom assembly. I had them shrink wrap my boat, and gave them a check for $6k to cover the work they had done and to buy the new transom assembly. The mechanic shuts down for the winter and reopens in mid March.

Over the winter, I started accumulating parts. I figured that while the engine was out, I'd just go ahead and replace anything that was more difficult to do with the engine installed. I believe that I hold the world record for having the world's oldest 8.1 aluminum exhaust manifolds (yes, I actually got 18 seasons out of them - and they look like they were still good), so I ordered 2 complete exhaust manifold kits (~$1700), a new cool fuel module housing and the hose bib that connects to it(~$700), a new hot water heater and crossover kit (~$340), new spark plugs and wires (~$175), and 6 gallons of coolant (~$170). In for a penny, in for a pound, I also ordered the quiet motor conversion kit for my head since it was time to fix the bellows and replace the duck bills anyway ($327). Finally (so, I thought), I dropped off one of my props to get cleaned up because I forgot to raise my drive up a little bit a few times last season and the rear prop got dinged in the gravel when they set the boat on the rack. That one's on me. I know that can happen if I forget to raise it up a little. Oh... $236 for that.

When the mehanic reopened his shop, I stopped by and dropped off all of my parts. He got to work on it right away. I told him to give everything a thorough going over, and replace anything that looked marginal while he had it out. When he got all of the engine parts installed, he had the marina put my boat on a trailer and he took it to his shop. He removed the old transom assembly and installed the new one. When he removed the Y pipe from the old transom, he found another issue. Part of the flange was corroding away. It wasn't leaking yet, but you could tell by looking at it that it was only a matter of a couple of years before it would definitely become an issue. I don't plan on having this much work done again anytime soon, so I made the call for a new one ($1000).

She's all done but the test drive now (and the last $2400 for the mechanic). I should find out next week how it all works out. It's a bit of a roller coaster of emotion as you first get word that the engine has to come out and major work needs to be done, to the feeling that there is no end to where money needs to be thrown, to the anticipation of the call from the mechanic with additional problems, to the relief that all of the parts are back in place (and paid for), to the fingers and toes crossed anxiety of wondering if it will run properly after being all tore apart, or if it will be a season of working out little problems everywhere. Man... I need a drink.
@Stray Current knows nothing of what you speak...
 
@Stray Current knows nothing of what you speak…

30 grand since December! The good news is, I was able to leverage my phenomenal credit and not have to take any money out of my bearing accounts or pay any interest

This shit is definitely not for the faint of heart
 
I can identify with the issues. In 2019 we traded and upgraded to a new 4-stroke outboard. Never looking back to the maintenance of an I/O.
 
That was a lot of words… and not a single pic
Well... Unfortunately, most of it happened while I wasn't there. He removed the drive and pulled the engine at the end of last season to make sure the transom itself was good. I saw it like that one time when I winterized it. Next time I saw it, the boat was in his shop with the new transom assembly already in place. I did forget to take pics of the Y pipe and old exhaust manifolds while I was there. The last time I saw it, she was sitting on the trailer in the lot behind his shop with the drive installed. The only thing missing was the prop I was dropping off.

To tell you the truth, I've never seen him do a job this big, this fast.
 
30 grand since December! The good news is, I was able to leverage my phenomenal credit and not have to take any money out of my bearing accounts or pay any interest

This shit is definitely not for the faint of heart
You got that right. The boat is paid off, and I was able to pay for all of this as it came in without tapping any other resources. After I drop off the last check this Tuesday, I'll be free and clear.

I might need to take out a loan for fuel, though...
 
You got that right. The boat is paid off, and I was able to pay for all of this as it came in without tapping any other resources. After I drop off the last check this Tuesday, I'll be free and clear.

I might need to take out a loan for fuel, though...
Yep…

Fortunately for me, Friday was my last day at my previous job and tomorrow I start one where I will make a decent bit more!
 
That's great news! I guess that means you'll be keeping her?
Debating. Throwing that water pump back in today trying to work below my feet while being fat and arthritic was not fun.

I was thinking about how wonderful my Yamahas have been in the past…

Still contemplating a 28 foot dual console with twin 200s or 250s and twin 12” screens. I made a years worth of payments on a new boat since January….
 
Grrr... I'm a thin guy without arthritis, and working on that pump still sucks. It's mounted too damned low and I've had it off far too many times. Working on it is the #1 reason that my foot and that bracket thingy keep getting together, too.

At least you'll still be in a boat. It seems like you were close to throwing in the towel altogether a while back.

Dammit! It just dawned on me that I forgot to tell him to change the oil. :mad:
 
Grrr... I'm a thin guy without arthritis, and working on that pump still sucks. It's mounted too damned low and I've had it off far too many times. Working on it is the #1 reason that my foot and that bracket thingy keep getting together, too.

At least you'll still be in a boat. It seems like you were close to throwing in the towel altogether a while back.

Dammit! It just dawned on me that I forgot to tell him to change the oil. :mad:
That’s still an option too, I could see building another Locked up lifted Comanche or older super duty as a trail rig…

been a rough few years, still no clear plan
 
That’s still an option too, I could see building another Locked up lifted Comanche or older super duty as a trail rig…

been a rough few years, still no clear plan
Well best of luck to you. I'm sure it will work out as it is supposed to. I had a rough patch starting a couple of years back. This little ordeal sorta marks the beginning of the post rough patch era. I'm in good shape and moving forward again now. The boat... she's gonna get whatever she needs.
 
Well.. All the work is done and paid for. I'm ready to go much earlier than I thought I would be. Life is good.

And then... Our marina breaks their forklift. All of the slip boats are still on blocks in the yard. Repairs are supposed to happen this weekend. This normally wouldn't be an issue because I could just tie up in a slip until they get things sorted, but we've got high winds with 30 mph gusts today. Not good for a trailer launch, or my test drive with the mechanic. Looks like I'm gonna have to take Monday off...
 
Just keep a sharp eye out for those damn crab pots. There always seems to be a few left behind with the float just below the water.
 
You guys get crab pots down that way, we get lobster traps all over the place it's like driving through a minefield up here around the cape it's like everybody and their brother has a 10 trap license
 
Just keep a sharp eye out for those damn crab pots. There always seems to be a few left behind with the float just below the water.
One of the things I look forward to the most... The Crab Pot slalom. It should be an Olympic event.

Years ago I picked up one of those old discarded crab traps just under the surface leaving Fairlee Creek. I would have been okay if I had just snagged the line. It was so decayed that it had no strength. What got me was the Gatorade bottle filled with concrete for the PVC pole with the float and the flag on it. That bottle logged itself between my props and stopped them cold right as I was hitting the throttle to get up on plane. Had to get a new drive. Thank God my insurance covered that one.

@Scott215 - I've got a bunch of family in your area. Closest to you would be my cousin in Onset. Others are in Falmouth, Dartmouth, and Fall River.
 
I remember. You got a new bravo three out of that unfortunate mess. Some people put out the worst set ups for pots. I hit one that was set with a steel cable! Bastages!
 

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