Diesel Fuels

[JHornsby3]

I noticed today that Oregon is pushing for R99 diesel fuel. My pick up got great mileage on regular #2. I dropped to 12MPG on B15 and then to 8mpg on B20. Now the local stations are forcing the R99. Is this a ploy to finally get rid of the diesel powered vehicles on the road? There was talk of a fuel ban in Oregon, at the first of the year. There was talk of dropping diesel and propane all together and making them illegal.

I know my farm tractor can't run anything over B20. What will this do to the boats with diesel engines? Curious, because the tractor clearly states not to go higher than 20% bio.

 

[blaster]

You got it.

 

[Skybolt]

Can't even think of the west coast way of thinking landing here on the east coast. My Detroit's would puke on any thing bio. It's bad enough with the lower cetane rating and sulfur, can't imagine bio.

 

[JHornsby3]

Can't even think of the west coast way of thinking landing here on the east coast. My Detroit's would puke on any thing bio. It's bad enough with the lower cetane rating and sulfur, can't imagine bio.

I had some friends in Idaho that processed their own bio. One had a 7.3 and one a 6.5l and Benz. All three ran on bio only. But because they made their own fuel, they didn't have to worry about the $5 a gallon price. Drive it and when low, fill up. The only one that had a problem was the Benz. The fuel would cause a plastic like coating where the soot and carbon normally built up. They started running a 50/50 blend every few tanks to combat it.

I bet that R99 is going to ruin a boat engine. Might have to think about moving closer to a boarder town so I can get a real fuel. Not sure when, but this state is going to run the E20 or higher too. And with clear fuel at $6-$8 a gallon, it's really hard to pay that price. Hell, I can't even get red dyed diesel for the tractor.

 

[Skybolt]

I had some friends in Idaho that processed their own bio. One had a 7.3 and one a 6.5l and Benz. All three ran on bio only. But because they made their own fuel, they didn't have to worry about the $5 a gallon price. Drive it and when low, fill up. The only one that had a problem was the Benz. The fuel would cause a plastic like coating where the soot and carbon normally built up. They started running a 50/50 blend every few tanks to combat it.

I bet that R99 is going to ruin a boat engine. Might have to think about moving closer to a boarder town so I can get a real fuel. Not sure when, but this state is going to run the E20 or higher too. And with clear fuel at $6-$8 a gallon, it's really hard to pay that price. Hell, I can't even get red dyed diesel for the tractor.

The red dyed diesel is usually the marker for marine diesel. The road diesel is usually a form of bright clear yellow/green. At least here on the east coast that has been my experience.

Sucks you can't get real fuel. Man I don't know what I would do.

 

[Maybe A Dancer]

REVOLT !

 

[atrick]

The red dyed diesel is usually the marker for marine diesel. The road diesel is usually a form of bright clear yellow/green. At least here on the east coast that has been my experience.

Sucks you can't get real fuel. Man I don't know what I would do.

Red dyed diesel is off road whether for boat, farm or off road use and isn't taxed highway taxes, its red so if DOT pulls you over on highway and inspects your fuel tank and its red they know you ain't been paying your highway taxes and the fine isn't small with possibly confiscation of your vehicle. Fuel oil and kerosine are supposed to be dyed too.

 

[JHornsby3]

The red dyed diesel is usually the marker for marine diesel. The road diesel is usually a form of bright clear yellow/green. At least here on the east coast that has been my experience.

Sucks you can't get real fuel. Man I don't know what I would do.

Yeah, the red dye is for "off road". I do know that on an older pick up I had, that red fuel is some great stuff. Ran short and filled up from an equipment truck one time. That old truck went from 19.8MPG to 26.7. And after 15 tanks, it was still red in the filter bowl. Working as an equipment operator, I didn't want the $2800 per gallon fine. Couldn't wash it out, so I sold the truck. Diesel should be green/blue for on road or taxed for road use.

Yes it does suck. And with all the "lets ban everything and force electric" BS, I think it's going to get worst.

 

[JHornsby3]

Red dyed diesel is off road whether for boat, farm or off road use and isn't taxed highway taxes, its red so if DOT pulls you over on highway and inspects your fuel tank and its red they know you ain't been paying your highway taxes and the fine isn't small with possibly confiscation of your vehicle. Fuel oil and kerosine are supposed to be dyed too.

We can't get off road fuel unless you have a cardlock. And we don't use enough fuel to qualify. Glad I don't have a farm tank. There is times I just might have used it in the pick up. With all the theft that goes on around here, it would probably be empty before I could use any of it anyhow. Had a friend that got his tank dipped one time. It's not worth the risk.

 

[carterchapman]

The west coast was such a paradise years ago. I don’t know how you live there now. Sorry.

 

[JHornsby3]

The west coast was such a paradise years ago. I don’t know how you live there now. Sorry.

Yeah, I know. Dad is in his 80's and was told if he leaves, he will have to start from ground zero with his VA benefits. I came home to care for him and it's been a nightmare, er, I mean adventure. If he didn't have a farm full of 20 years of crap and a house full of matchbox cars, I'd have had him out of here before brown got her second term in office. And kotex is worst. It's pretty here but you have to look beyond the trash and such.

Was thinking of moving back to Idaho and be another members neighbor. But not enough places close to Boise to take a small boat. And I don't care for snow.

The fuel being served is only a small part of the equation. When the time comes, we have an exit plan already drafted. And it looks like back to Texas is where we will be.

 

[ttmott]

Here in Fl the Red fuel (offroad/marine) is the same as road fuel only no road tax. It's all ultra-low sulfur these days. We do, however, pay sales tax on the offroad fuel, 7% in my locale. What is interesting is the marinas charge significantly higher prices for fuel than at the local fuel pump even though no road tax. Some of my fellow boaters have bulk fuel delivered at a private dock and they get fuel at reasonable prices. We tried to organize a fuel parade for bulk delivery but couldn't find a location to do that.
The state Po-Po routinely pull trucks over to check fuel; I guess it is a real problem.

 

[ttmott]

Yeah, I know. Dad is in his 80's and was told if he leaves, he will have to start from ground zero with his VA benefits. I came home to care for him and it's been a nightmare, er, I mean adventure. If he didn't have a farm full of 20 years of crap and a house full of matchbox cars, I'd have had him out of here before brown got her second term in office. And kotex is worst. It's pretty here but you have to look beyond the trash and such.

Was thinking of moving back to Idaho and be another members neighbor. But not enough places close to Boise to take a small boat. And I don't care for snow.

The fuel being served is only a small part of the equation. When the time comes, we have an exit plan already drafted. And it looks like back to Texas is where we will be.

I grew up in Boise and had property in McCall up until a couple of years ago. I miss it there but then again living here is as good or better - oh the warm Atlantic. I'll say the crap that is going on in Salem is repulsive and not to the benefit to the population of the state. The reason so many want their county to succeed to Idaho.

 

[Skybolt]

Red dyed diesel is off road whether for boat, farm or off road use and isn't taxed highway taxes, its red so if DOT pulls you over on highway and inspects your fuel tank and its red they know you ain't been paying your highway taxes and the fine isn't small with possibly confiscation of your vehicle. Fuel oil and kerosine are supposed to be dyed too.

Thanks, didn't know it was also off road as well. I knew it was hywy tax free though. Always learning things on here.

 

[atrick]

I got my own docks behind house and have a 275 gal tank which I use for off road diesel for the boat and it gets filled up by the wholesaler. I get low make a phone call and they come fill it up, last fill up about 6 weeks ago was $2.91/gal, so it saves a little money. I get fuel oil for 2 of my rentals and the driver told me off road diesel, kerosine and fuel oil and the same thing now. I know I run off road diesel in my turbo heater in shop cause its cheaper than kerosine and it burns cleaner cause you can't smell it as bad when using it as I notice it more as I got COPD

 

[JHornsby3]

I got my own docks behind house and have a 275 gal tank which I use for off road diesel for the boat and it gets filled up by the wholesaler. I get low make a phone call and they come fill it up, last fill up about 6 weeks ago was $2.91/gal, so it saves a little money. I get fuel oil for 2 of my rentals and the driver told me off road diesel, kerosine and fuel oil and the same thing now. I know I run off road diesel in my turbo heater in shop cause its cheaper than kerosine and it burns cleaner cause you can't smell it as bad when using it as I notice it more as I got COPD

Diesel, Kerosine and Fuel Oil are not the same. Kerosine is a clear fuel. Usually burns cleaner and is a little more volatile than diesel or fuel oil. See, JP-1 or Jet A. Kerosine is a paraffin oil. While diesel also has paraffin in it, diesel is what remains after the kerosine is removed from the crude oil. Fuel oil is what is left of the crude after all of the good stuff is removed. I've seen guys run it in their, pre-optic sensor, GM diesel pick ups. And seen them do tear downs of those engines at early rates. Fuel oil, also known as JP-9, is a nasty burning fuel.

$2.91 for diesel? I haven't seen it that low in over 6 years. Fuel prices are set by the money hungry state and fuel station owners. Gas has been near that $5 mark for a while now with diesel being right at or over. And now, it's not even diesel.

 

[dmorris800]

Regarding Oregon/ west coast

Both coasts are the same way. NY state policy is really set around NYC and its suburbs. Upstate completely different and they hate it.

 

[atrick]

Diesel, Kerosine and Fuel Oil are not the same. Kerosine is a clear fuel. Usually burns cleaner and is a little more volatile than diesel or fuel oil. See, JP-1 or Jet A. Kerosine is a paraffin oil. While diesel also has paraffin in it, diesel is what remains after the kerosine is removed from the crude oil. Fuel oil is what is left of the crude after all of the good stuff is removed. I've seen guys run it in their, pre-optic sensor, GM diesel pick ups. And seen them do tear downs of those engines at early rates. Fuel oil, also known as JP-9, is a nasty burning fuel.

$2.91 for diesel? I haven't seen it that low in over 6 years. Fuel prices are set by the money hungry state and fuel station owners. Gas has been near that $5 mark for a while now with diesel being right at or over. And now, it's not even diesel.

I don't know the difference between the fuels just what the delivery driver said, but getting fuel from wholesaler sure saves money! Marines around here charge $4.50 to $5 a gallon, saved about $300 last time I fueled boat up.

 

[blaster]

I can’t even get fuel oil delivered for less than $4.00 a gallon right now. At the homestead we burn an 80/20 blend of fuel oil and kerosene. Straight fuel oil would have problems when the temperature drops below ten degrees. The kerosene also helps keep the oil burn a little more clean. It is a good thing we have thirty acres of timber. Oil is so damn expensive.

 

[atrick]

When I get back south next week I'll need to fill tank up so I'll be curious what the price will be.










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