George Floyd

I'll go back to CSR as my happy boating place and will not inject my 2 cents of politics into this forum... I received this email this morning, it would have been better received yesterday, but as they say in life "timing is everything".

Be well & Stay safe.



Hey Friend,


As the red mist of anger descends, it can be very difficult to make calculated judgments in the heat of the moment.

Our rational mind can play devilish tricks on us.

It might be best, therefore, to do as the stoic Seneca advises:

"If you want to determine the nature of anything, entrust it to time: when the sea is stormy, you can see nothing clearly" — Seneca

Taking a step back from the situation and looking at it from a fresh perspective can never do any harm.

From this standpoint, even if the circumstance requires strong action to be taken - you’ll be able to perform it in a way that is led by logic rather than emotion.

And so…

...if you’re angry at someone or something and you’re feeling the need to lash out in anger…

Sleep on it.

You will most probably feel very different about it in the morning.

It’s an excellent tool that can help you make logic-based, rather emotionally-led, decisions.

Want to buy that incredibly beautiful, shiny, sparkling, luxurious new item from the store?

Perhaps...sleep on it.

The Higher Perspective

P.S. Would you like to learn more techniques for controlling your emotions when it matters most? Then check out our blog post: Be Stronger Than Your Feelings - 9 Techniques For Letting Go Of Stress And Quieting The Mind










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Blueone said:
Based on what we know and have seen he should be charged with murder.... why hasn’t he?
I have a feeling there is more to the story
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This just in ...

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https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020...eorge-floyd-death-minneapolis-police-officer/
 
What the heck was this guy doing?

 
We in the MN media and Government call that protesting.
 
What many people seem to not understand is that the simple fact of an arrest of the one cop does not mean he is necessarily charged with any crime at this time.

In WA, once a person is arrested the prosecuting authorities have 72 hours to charge him with a crime. The arrested officer can still make bail and be released.

I would not be surprised if the officer presented himself (with his attorney) at a police station to turn himself in. He would then be booked, fingerprinted, mug shots taken, etc. He might then be able to be released on bail or, not as likely, be released on his own recognizance.

Were I in his shoes I would want to stay out of jail but well hidden somewhere for my own safety.
 
Gofirstclass said:
What many people seem to not understand is that the simple fact of an arrest of the one cop does not mean he is necessarily charged with any crime at this time.

In WA, once a person is arrested the prosecuting authorities have 72 hours to charge him with a crime. The arrested officer can still make bail and be released.

I would not be surprised if the officer presented himself (with his attorney) at a police station to turn himself in. He would then be booked, fingerprinted, mug shots taken, etc. He might then be able to be released on bail or, not as likely, be released on his own recognizance.

Were I in his shoes I would want to stay out of jail but well hidden somewhere for my own safety.
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The officer is arrested for man slaughter, what do you not get? The guy was heard saying I can't breathe...…...
 
Gofirstclass said:
Speaking as a retired cop, I think the cops that were involved in that arrest should all be prosecuted for some level of homicide. The cop with his knee on Mr. Floyd's neck murdered him, plain and simple. Did he intend to murder Floyd? Not likely, but it happened.

The other cops who stood by and allowed the first cop to keep his knee on Floyd's neck were also complicit in his death and should be dealt with accordingly.

I'm old enough to remember clearly the riots in Detroit in 1967. And Watts, Baltimore, etc., etc.

IIRC, all of those stemmed from the unjustified killing of an African American man by a white police officer.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a bleeding heart liberal. Quite the opposite, but this crap has to stop.
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I’m a retired police officer , I wholeheartedly agree with your opinion. But you’re an older guy, and I was only 4 years old during the Detroit riots in 1967, so I didn’t participate in that. Murder is murder, plain and simple. It’s actually worse when committed by a police officer on duty because he/she is acting under the “color of law.” This former officer appears to have created untold damage to the police; which is horrible. Murdering another human being is unforgivable, and deserves punishment.
 
It couldn't have been first degree murder unless it could be shown the cops actually planned to murder him.

On another related thought, the mayor of MPLS came up with the theory of how to stop the rioting, err, I mean the demonstrations. He's going to give them all masks. What a genius.
 
JustRight said:
Murder is murder, plain and simple.

Murdering another human being is unforgivable, and deserves punishment.
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As to the first part of you comment, actually it's not. There was no premediation involved in this situation and as abhorrent as it was, 3rd degree homicide is the correct charge.

I fully agree with your second statement, unless it is done under certain circumstances like self defense or the defense of another, under a court order as would be in a death penalty situation, etc.
 
Gofirstclass said:
As to the first part of you comment, actually it's not. There was no premediation involved in this situation and as abhorrent as it was, 3rd degree homicide is the correct charge.

I fully agree with your second statement, unless it is done under certain circumstances like self defense or the defense of another, under a court order as would be in a death penalty situation, etc.
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I’ll play along, my friend. Of course laws are different in each state.
We are two brothers discussing the same opinion with nuances of laws that vary from state to state.

As to the 2nd half of your comment; I believe murder is unforgivable: justifiable homicide is not murder, self- defense is not murder, capital punishment is not murder. Murder is premeditated an unjustified, as you alluded to, although there is another aspect to murder, at least in NYS law. Murder in the 2nd Degree in NYS involves intentionally causing the death of another; however, Murder 2nd degree also includes killing another with a “depraved indifference” to human life, recklessly engaging in actions that creat a “grave risk of death” to another person. That is what I was referring to with respect to the homicide of George Floyd. Although, I could just be talking out of my ass because I’m quoting NYS law with respect to a crime that occurred in a different State, and admittedly, I have no idea what their Penal Law statutes say.

You, Gofirstclass, have my complete respect and appreciation both for your service, your contributions to this site, and your current battle. Remember when this site used to be about boating stuff?
Cheers,
Tim
 
Blueone said:
Based on what we know and have seen he should be charged with murder.... why hasn’t he?
I have a feeling there is more to the story
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There has been no definitive cause of death. No definitive time of death. What if the coroner finds he died of acute alcohol poisoning or OD from heroin? Murder?
 
JimT said:
There has been no definitive cause of death. No definitive time of death. What if the coroner finds he died of acute alcohol poisoning or OD from heroin? Murder?
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True enough. I suppose we’re just some guys shooting the breeze on a boating forum. Your points are well taken. Sometimes things are as simple as what’s before your eyes, and sometimes there’s a lot more to the story. I’m in the cheap seats pontificating about it. It’s serious stuff - time will hopefully tell all the facts of the case.
 
Until the autopsy report establishes the cause of death there is no evidence to support a manslaughter or murder charge. The prosecutor is charging for politics.
 
OllieC said:
Good morning.

My neighborhood stinks of building fires. I could see the hazy smoke rolling through my yard. I drove through my St. Paul village on the way to the office and the liquor store, mini-target, Verizon, are all being boarded up. The Jewelry store that was hit yesterday is already boarded up. I'm probably going to work 1/2 day at the office and then head home.

There were helicopters flying over my house as well as sirens going on until 5 am this morning and then things miraculously were quiet with only the stench of building fires. Sleeping sucked. I have to believe we will have a weekend of this because the weather is going to be perfect. This was my weekend to prep the boat, but now I don't want to bring it home and have it vandalized.

As far as protecting my family, yes, I have the ability, however I refuse to insert myself into a situation. If you want to burn my car down, I guess, burn it down. I have insurance. Entering my household to harm my family, that's a different story. I am one of those who doesn't sleep with a sidearm next to my bed. All of my firearms and ammo are locked in a humidity controlled safe.

Listening to the scanner last night, I have to say that these 1st responders did the best they could with the resources they had. The Fire departments couldn't get in to put out fires because rioters (not protesters) where destroying engines and harming the firefighters. The Ramsey County PD didn't have enough officers to protect them while getting pelted with rocks, bottles, etc. There were multiple reports of firearms. These teams were stretched extremely thin in Ramsey. Ramsey county is not Hennipen county where the 3rd precinct burned to the ground, so I could only imagine how far they were stretched under their current leadership (or lack there of). So there were two fronts happening.

God bless these responders on the front lines right now. I don't know how these people can handle it. It really makes me reflect and feel grateful for their service.....I was extremely sad for our cities last night..........and before the goofballs get triggered and lose their collective minds, I am not talking about the .01% of bad cops, and I don't believe anyone is on this forum.

Anyway, God bless and stay safe.
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Happy to hear you are safe and pray that does not change. To each his own on how they keep their arms and ammo. I don't have kids in the house so there is a loaded pistol and tactical flashlight at each entry of my house and a Bull Pup modified Mossburg 500 standing at the head of my bed. I'm not paranoid just prepared for the rapture in the unlikely event it arrives.
Strange times we find our selves in. I wonder if the protests are not made worse by the uncertainty caused by the pandemic response as the most adversely affected are often the least prepared or financially capable of dealing with it.
CD
 
JimT said:
Until the autopsy report establishes the cause of death there is no evidence to support a manslaughter or murder charge. The prosecutor is charging for politics.
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The complaint is available here: https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/29/us/derek-chauvin-criminal-complaint-trnd/index.html
Includes preliminary autopsy results with probable causes of death listed as the restraint employed, underlying conditions and potential intoxicants awaiting tox screen results. It also says the officer kept his knee on the neck for over two minutes after Floyd became unresponsive.
 
Blueone said:
Based on what we know and have seen he should be charged with murder.... why hasn’t he?
I have a feeling there is more to the story
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He did not shoot the guy, He kneeled down on him like he was a worthless pain in the ass, but I doubt he actually thought he would have even injured the perp. I agree that he should have been summarily fired and then possibly charged with manslaughter for his reckless disregard. The coroner said that he died due to several co-morbidities that were exacerbated by being roughed up. The cop could not possibly know of the perp's medical history. Had he just surrendered and peacefully submitted to being taken into custody it would not have taken four cops to take him down. I'm not a cop, I know a few and I know several of you on the forum are. I would not begin to second guess what these guys do in the heat of battle but they are constantly trained and briefed on acceptable conduct. Cops that don't have what it takes to uphold their oath and protect and serve accordingly need to find another line of work perhaps like work as mercenary contractors in sand countries or something. I think the damn labor union that defended this guy the previous times and the cozy relationships they have with the corrupt city officials are where the blame should lie. Perhaps this guy should have been weeded out long ago.
Just my 2 cents
CD
 
JustRight said:
We are two brothers discussing the same opinion with nuances of laws that vary from state to state.

You, Gofirstclass, have my complete respect and appreciation both for your service, your contributions to this site, and your current battle. Remember when this site used to be about boating stuff?
Cheers,
Tim
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Hey Bro, you are spot on with the first comment. Those who have walked the Thin Blue Line will always be brothers.

Thanks for the nice comment in the last part of your post. That respect goes both ways with you and the other Blue Line members of CSR. And yes, I do remember when this site used to be about boating stuff.

The topics often stray from boating but I still enjoy them nonetheless. I get frustrated at some of the cheap pot shots taken at others but I can choose to overlook those or not. It's my call.
 
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