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[Gimme Time]

View attachment 69391 This is my cheat sheet diagram I use to wrap my head around walking the boat sideways. So in your scenario to walk the boat to port you would put rudders about halfway to stbd , port engine in reverse, stbd engine in forward and bow thruster to port. It isn’t a perfect science as there is a lot of feel to see how your boat responds but I have been using this method and it works good for me.

Mike,

Just Incase you don’t know the engine in reverse always has less power when both engines are at the same RPM. You’ll find you need to feather the engine I’m forward so you don’t over come the engine in reverse. I use this method all the time and extremely beneficial during heavy windage as the 52 broadside becomes a pretty good blow boat. Same type of maneuver when you parked broadside between two boats on a parallel pier like at a restaurant.

Annapolis Ego Alley on the Wall. if you’re lucky two feet on the bow with anchor hanging above someone’s swim platform. Someone else’s anchor hanging above your swim plate form.

Find a parallel pier and practice without wind then with and you'll be fine.

John

 

[Havana Shamrock]

totally agree with John i don’t touch the throttles but I do pop in and out of gear to control the speed same effect.
I must say I became very comfortable right away with this boat I’d dock this thing better than any other boat we’ve had

 

[spikedaddy99]

The opposite of this.

He’s going with the wind, he needed to pass his slip and then back up into the wind close to the piling on the right then spin to starboard
You can see how the wind pushed him past the point he need to be backing into the wind has more control

Ps he should have been on that thruster much earlier and longer it’s there to help

He's got the wind helping him onto his pier, not off the pier. Also, I don't have the luxury of the big pilings between slips. Wind at bow or stern aren't the same as a broadside from port wind blowing me off the pier. Rudders amidships weren't cutting it.

 

[Woody]

He's got the wind helping him onto his pier, not off the pier. Also, I don't have the luxury of the big pilings between slips.

I don't have any thrusters. One thing I do often in a situation like you're talking of is use a spring line. You can find lots of info/illustrations of docking/undocking using lines online.

 

[quality time]

He's got the wind helping him onto his pier, not off the pier. Also, I don't have the luxury of the big pilings between slips. Wind at bow or stern aren't the same as a broadside from port wind blowing me off the pier. Rudders amidships weren't cutting it.

I think backing into the wind would have been your best bet, then lay on the thruster while spinning or possibly getting a line on the finger pier once the stern was partially in.

I've done the pivot early and drift procedure but that just means you're gaining that much more momentum and my boat doesn't back fast enough to thread the needle.

 

[Havana Shamrock]

I thought you where backing into a slip? Your coming up along side a dock? I’m confused.
The wind in the video is not helping him it’s pushing him away from the slip my point was to creep back as far as possible and then rotate.
But as COD mentioned if there’s enough room this guy could have set the boat broadside at the slip next to him let the wind blow him down field until he where in front of his slip then reverse in making minor adjustments.
If docking along side a dock point the nose into the wind ( if it’s blowing you off the dock) get close to the dock and have a line ready after cleated either port /stbd (depending on which side your laying the boat on the dock ) motor only in reverse and the stern will come in
If the wind is that strong you may have to throttle up the motors and lay on the thruster a little longer than usual

 

[spikedaddy99]

I thought you where backing into a slip? Your coming up along side a dock? I’m confused.
The wind in the video is not helping him it’s pushing him away from the slip my point was to creep back as far as possible and then rotate.
But as COD mentioned if there’s enough room this guy could have set the boat broadside at the slip next to him let the wind blow him down field until he where in front of his slip then reverse in making minor adjustments.
If docking along side a dock point the nose into the wind ( if it’s blowing you off the dock) get close to the dock and have a line ready after cleated either port /stbd (depending on which side your laying the boat on the dock ) motor only in reverse and the stern will come in
If the wind is that strong you may have to throttle up the motors and lay on the thruster a little longer than usual

Yes, backing into a slip. The rudimentary drawn picture is my slip alongside a dock neighbor. I don't have a ton of room to the starboard to allow my stern to drift. In the video, look at the guys flag, it's pushing him to the port. He's stuck on the end of the finger pier trying to rotate. That's an easier situation to me. My problem is getting the stern to stay left with a wind blowing from the left. (stern moving, or staying upwind)

 

[Woody]

Sometimes I'll primarily only use one drive. In your situation, backing upwind, strbd reverse is pulling you back and stern to port. If I was using rudder at same time it would be turned to port which would also help move stern to port while in reverse. More or less throttle as needed.

 

[spikedaddy99]

Evening boys. Master head wont fully pressurize. Bowl holds water, pump just keeps running. If I wait, it will not pull water from bowl. Duckbills were replaced last fall. Ideas?

 

[Gimme Time]

Mike,

Sometimes paper or other matter that you can’t see will cause the gasket not to seal fully. Can be a very small thing that you can’t even see there.

Take toilet brush, open the head valve fully and clean the rubber seal by twisting and turn your brush with the head seal area. Close the valve and clean the ball valve area that is exposed good.

Now work the foot valve open and closed quite a few times. Let the valve close and see what the results are ?

Hope this helps.

 

[spikedaddy99]

John, I left it off last night, turned it on this morning, and it worked fine...go figure...

 

[CaptainRandall]

Am I the only one that thinks this diagram is wrong? Following these diagrams will make the boat spin, not walk sideways......... Engines should be opposite of what is shown and as Joe said, Rudder straight......

I agree. According to this diagram, his stern is going to draw away from the dock. Especially when he hits the bow thruster.

 

[Woody]

Am I the only one that thinks this diagram is wrong? Following these diagrams will make the boat spin, not walk sideways......... Engines should be opposite of what is shown and as Joe said, Rudder straight......

I agree. According to this diagram, his stern is going to draw away from the dock. Especially when he hits the bow thruster.

I think Jeremygavin is correct. There have been two types of answers given to Spikedaddy. Some are how to back into the slip, like mine, against a broadside wind blowing you off the dock. Jeremygavin's answer was about how to crab the boat sideways.

In Jeremygavins diagram the object is to move sideways with no forward or reverse motion. The two drives are essentially cancelling each other on that. What actually moves the boat toward the dock is the outboard side because the rudders are in that position, it's that rudder position that makes it work, made easier if you have a bow thruster.

 

[CaptainRandall]

I think Jeremygavin is correct. There have been two types of answers given to Spikedaddy. Some are how to back into the slip, like mine, against a broadside wind blowing you off the dock. Jeremygavin's answer was about how to crab the boat sideways.

In Jeremygavins diagram the object is to move sideways with no forward or reverse motion. The two drives are essentially cancelling each other on that. What actually moves the boat toward the dock is the outboard side because the rudders are in that position, it's that rudder position that makes it work, made easier if you have a bow thruster.

I guess I'm missing something because it still doesn't make sense to me. However Ive never used a bow thruster so I'm not grasping the concept. Not saying you're wrong....

 

[Jeremygavin]

Does anyone have issues with their hot water? The water is not hot hot and takes a while (30 secs) to even get warm at the galley and bath sinks. I have less pressure on hot side than cold side at the galley sink. The stern sink in the outdoor kitchen area gets warmer faster and is hotter than the water in the cabin sinks but still not what I consider hot. We didn’t get to use it much last fall, hot water was ok at the survey so I don’t know if this is a new issue or not. I changed out the element this weekend with no change. I check all the lime shut offs on the water manifolds and they all seem to be in the correct position. Next step is a thermostat but it just seems like I have something else going on due to the differences in temps between the stern sink and cabin sinks and also the lower pressure on the hot side.
I had great hot water on my 340da with a smaller tank so there is no reason why this one should produce hot water as well.

Let me know your thoughts on things to check out.

 

[Jeremygavin]

View attachment 69391 This is my cheat sheet diagram I use to wrap my head around walking the boat sideways. So in your scenario to walk the boat to port you would put rudders about halfway to stbd , port engine in reverse, stbd engine in forward and bow thruster to port. It isn’t a perfect science as there is a lot of feel to see how your boat responds but I have been using this method and it works good for me.

I was looking this diagram this weekend after people had questioned whether it is correct or not. It is in fact not correct. On the diagram above I have the bow thruster thrusting in the wrong direction in both diagrams. You need to use the thruster to move the bow away from the dock as the engines are pivoting the bow towards the dock. With the rudder over about half way the engine in FWD pushed water across the rudder and helps crab the stern over. Sorry for the confusion.

 

[Charlesoceanone]

The hot on mine does take longer to get hot in the master head as it is the longest run. The galley doesn’t take as long. Mine is hot hot. I’m not sure if there is an adjustment for temperature on the heater itself. The pressure is equal. I would start with a possible blockage at the manifold under the galley.

 

[CaptainRandall]

I was looking this diagram this weekend after people had questioned whether it is correct or not. It is in fact not correct. On the diagram above I have the bow thruster thrusting in the wrong direction in both diagrams. You need to use the thruster to move the bow away from the dock as the engines are pivoting the bow towards the dock. With the rudder over about half way the engine in FWD pushed water across the rudder and helps crab the stern over. Sorry for the confusion.

LOL! THanks, so I'm not going crazy....

 

[TNT8808]

Does anyone have issues with their hot water? The water is not hot hot and takes a while (30 secs) to even get warm at the galley and bath sinks. I have less pressure on hot side than cold side at the galley sink. The stern sink in the outdoor kitchen area gets warmer faster and is hotter than the water in the cabin sinks but still not what I consider hot. We didn’t get to use it much last fall, hot water was ok at the survey so I don’t know if this is a new issue or not. I changed out the element this weekend with no change. I check all the lime shut offs on the water manifolds and they all seem to be in the correct position. Next step is a thermostat but it just seems like I have something else going on due to the differences in temps between the stern sink and cabin sinks and also the lower pressure on the hot side.
I had great hot water on my 340da with a smaller tank so there is no reason why this one should produce hot water as well.

Let me know your thoughts on things to check out.

Sounds like you all have the hot water delay under control. I had weak a hot water stream on my galley sink only, and this is what I found:

 

[j98052]

Does anyone have issues with their hot water? The water is not hot hot and takes a while (30 secs) to even get warm at the galley and bath sinks. I have less pressure on hot side than cold side at the galley sink. The stern sink in the outdoor kitchen area gets warmer faster and is hotter than the water in the cabin sinks but still not what I consider hot. We didn’t get to use it much last fall, hot water was ok at the survey so I don’t know if this is a new issue or not. I changed out the element this weekend with no change. I check all the lime shut offs on the water manifolds and they all seem to be in the correct position. Next step is a thermostat but it just seems like I have something else going on due to the differences in temps between the stern sink and cabin sinks and also the lower pressure on the hot side.
I had great hot water on my 340da with a smaller tank so there is no reason why this one should produce hot water as well.

Let me know your thoughts on things to check out.

I takes about 30-40 seconds to get hot water out of any of the sinks, but the water is hot (too hot if you turn it all the way to hot), and the pressure is good.