Anchoring to stob fish tailing in the wind

I have used the method Henry described with great success on my 31' sailboat, but haven't tried it on my 260 DA. The way I did it on the sailboat was to carry my anchor rode (rope) back to my mainsail winch on the windward side and give it a couple of turns on that. Then I walked the rode forward to the bow, added about 15' more and attached a 25' (or so) line to the rode with a knot that wouldn't slip down the length. This creates the "triangle". Then dropped anchor and set it. The boat turns partially broadside to the wind and rides in a pretty stable aspect (like a kite). I think this could work the same way on our smaller Sea Rays by walking your anchor rode back to the midship cleat on the windward side. Loop it around the cleat a couple of turns (maybe even cinch it on there with a short piece of 1/4" or so dia. rope) and then proceed with the rest of the rig as described above.)

*Forgot to say that the 25' hanked-on rope would be tied to the forward bow cleat on the same side to complete the triangle.
 
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Nehalennia said:
Chris it will work better on your boat since your front cleats are further back spreading the bridal too.

The hook I was thinking would be similar to this, but it will need another place to clip the bridal. One to cinch the rode and the other to all the bridal to hook to.
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Thanks Todd. I'm having a hard time visualizing how this works. I like the looks of it though.

One of the things I've been toying with is simply adding about 50-75 more feet or chain; thus, I can utilize the typical anchor snubber. We rarely anchor in more than 20-30 feet of water so this amount of chain, albeit not enough for high wind, would help.

Gary- if you are still out there, I'm curious how you did the diagram shown earlier in the thread. What Mac program did you use? I have a MacBook pro.
 
Chris R said:
Gary- if you are still out there, I'm curious how you did the diagram shown earlier in the thread. What Mac program did you use? I have a MacBook pro.
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I just draw stuff with Keynote and then copy it to a file with the "Grab" function in Preview.
 
That butterfly knot is interesting. I didn't know about that one. But, if you used a bowline (in the middle of the rode) you'd effectively have a doubled line that you attach the metal hook to (or have a length of line with a thimble in it). If there's a way to double the butterfly, then that'd work just as well.

The downside to this way is that you'd still be putting a sharp bend in the anchor rode which will create a weak point.

I'm a little tentative to shoot this next idea out, but what the heck... It's a little "out of the box"... What about using a cleat between the anchor rode and an all rope bridle? This would be a cleat that is all by itself - you're holding it in your hand - it's not attached to the boat. You'd need to put a piece of metal across the bottom of the cleat so it wasn't totally open.

Attach the middle of your rode to the cleat - this would basically become the chain link that the hook is attaching to in Gary's picture. Then, attach your bridle (which is just a length of rope with a loop in the middle) to the cleat. Last, attach each free end of the bridle to your boat's cleats.

Granted, you'd have a cleat swinging in the wind about 15' off your bow but I don't think it would ever contact the boat? The plus side is you'd retain the strength of each rope.
 
Lazy Daze said:
That butterfly knot is interesting. I didn't know about that one. But, if you used a bowline (in the middle of the rode) you'd effectively have a doubled line that you attach the metal hook to (or have a length of line with a thimble in it). If there's a way to double the butterfly, then that'd work just as well.

The downside to this way is that you'd still be putting a sharp bend in the anchor rode which will create a weak point.
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Anytime you put a knot in a rope you are creating a weak point. Some knots are better than others though. I learned to tie knots when I did alot of climbing and was a member of a cliff rescue team. When you are climbing you life depends on that knot. I can tell you that I never saw many applications for a bowline knot for climbing but did use the butterfly knot to tie into the middle of a rope for glacier travel quite often.
 
Westie said:
Anytime you put a knot in a rope you are creating a weak point. Some knots are better than others though. I learned to tie knots when I did alot of climbing and was a member of a cliff rescue team. When you are climbing you life depends on that knot. I can tell you that I never saw many applications for a bowline knot for climbing but did use the butterfly knot to tie into the middle of a rope for glacier travel quite often.
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I'll tell 'ya what... Google is amazing! You got me wondering about strength retention between the two knots. Check this out: The butterfly is indeed rated higher than the bowline http://www.caves.org/section/vertical/nh/50/knotrope.html

Does the butterfly come out as easy as the bowline - after it's been stressed? I might just have to learn another knot!
 
C-SIDE said:
Impressive Four Suns - Thanks for the illustrations. That is very helpful, looks like I'll have to get or make a bridal.
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"Bridal" is something an about to married woman might call her shower.

A "Bridle" is a a true rigging term.

I say this in honor of my recently passed friend, Harry Donovan. http://www.rigging.net/formulas.html

Harry was a master rigger and also a big Blow Boater in the Seattle area.
 
Kinda like a seacock is a part on a boat and a sea cock is... well..

So... I'll not use the word bridal/bridle anymore and just say "make a triangle of sorts to counter the forces that make the boat swing."
 
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Four Suns said:
Kinda like a seacock is a part on a boat and a sea cock is... well..

So... I'll not use the word bridal/bridle anymore and just say "make a triangle of sorts to counter the forces that make the boat swing."
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And reference to source:

Four Suns said:
Kinda like a seacock is a part on a boat and a sea cock is... well..

So... I'll not use the word bridal/bridle anymore and just say "make a triangle of sorts to counter the forces that make the boat swing."
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Go ahead and use the word, just spell it correctly in the context it is used.

Does this look familiar?

http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f118/how-to-make-an-anchor-bridle-22838.html

http://www.bosunsupplies.com/snubber.cfm
 
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Uplate said:
And refernce to source:



Go ahead and use the word, just spell it correctly in the context it is used.

Does this look familiar?

http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f118/how-to-make-an-anchor-bridle-22838.html

http://www.bosunsupplies.com/snubber.cfm
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So sorry. I think I mentioned I did not draw that particular picture in my post.

You also misspelled "reference" so you may want to go correct your spelling. You can use that word but you should spell it correctly.

My post was trying to explain why a boat swings in the wind at anchor... Chapmans pretty much blows over it. I'm sorry my spelling got in the way. I'll try harder in the future.
 
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Uplate said:
"Bridal" is something an about to married woman might call her shower.

A "Bridle" is a a true rigging term.

I say this in honor of my recently passed friend, Harry Donovan. http://www.rigging.net/formulas.html

Harry was a master rigger and also a big Blow Boater in the Seattle area.
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So... ummm... Did you know the link you posted there goes to a website where Harry is demanding to remove his work from the site?

Harry Donovan the Author of the rigging formulas sent me this.
Sorry folks.

​
"We now want to make some money selling these products, to gain some profit
from the many thousands of hours we've spent writing and editing this
material. We would prefer that you cease publishing the rigging formulas
and bridle cheat sheet on your web-site. I know you and I discussed this a
few years, ago, and it was alright with us at the time, but we cannot now
approve the use of this information on your web-site. Please remove the
rigging formulas and bridle cheat sheet that you have obtained from us."​
 
Uplate said:
"Bridal" is something an about to married woman might call her shower.

A "Bridle" is a a true rigging term.

I say this in honor of my recently passed friend, Harry Donovan. http://www.rigging.net/formulas.html

Harry was a master rigger and also a big Blow Boater in the Seattle area.
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Thanks for derailing a perfectly informative post by being the spelling police. While on the boat rigging a "bridal", I don't think anyone will give a crap how it's spelled.

Thanks
.
 
All-

Thanks for all of the suggestions. I learned a few things while reading the thread:

1. Spelling counts to Sea Ray owners
2. I need to get a book of nots.....knots!
3. I am buying an anchor for the stern of my boat
4. This is the greatest place for baoting help

Thanks to all....off to the lake at noon tomorrow for the weekend!!
 
Westie said:
A butterfly knot would work perfectly. The advantage of it is it creates a loop in the rope that can be loaded in either of the three directions and even after being loaded it is easy to untie. Do a google on "butterfly knot" and you will see lots of examples on how to tie one.
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Thanks- that's the one!
 
tobnpr said:
Thanks- that's the one!
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What's your plan... tie that about 10' - 15' off your cleat in the anchor rode... then make another line fast to that knot and to the other cleat?
 
Great thread...thanks for the info.

Oh and many laughs at the spelling police out in force....in a thread where the title is mispelt!
 
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