CAT Fuel Filters for 410DA

Discussion in 'General Maintenance/Repair Questions' started by HUMPH, Dec 1, 2019 at 12:14 PM.

  1. Great lakes pirate

    Great lakes pirate Active Member

    523
    Jan 5, 2010
    Lake St. Clair
    2000 35 Tiara Open
    Previous boats:
    2003 320 DA - 6.2 MPI Bravo III
    1998 250 DA - 5.7 Bravo II
    Cummins 370
    Same story as David. Bought a few extra to get a bulk discount. I do carry a spare onboard incase of emergency.
     
  2. mquiet

    mquiet Well-Known Member

    Aug 4, 2009
    North carolina
    1999 480 Sedan Bridge
    Caterpillar 3196
    I just picked up 4 new ones for install ( 2 needed, 2 spares), what model filters were the ones that blow out? Thanks.
     
  3. Dani-Lu

    Dani-Lu Active Member SILVER Sponsor

    558
    Apr 20, 2007
    Delray Beach, Fl. / Long Island - GSB
    2001 410DA
    3126 Cats
     
  4. Dani-Lu

    Dani-Lu Active Member SILVER Sponsor

    558
    Apr 20, 2007
    Delray Beach, Fl. / Long Island - GSB
    2001 410DA
    3126 Cats
    Frank - My bow comes down faster when they are not on the boat :)
     
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  5. dtfeld

    dtfeld Water Contrails GOLD Sponsor

    Jun 5, 2016
    Milton, GA
    410 Sundancer
    2001
    Axiom 12 MFD
    Cat 3126 V-Drives
    Mine are 1R-0751 Advanced High Efficiency. These seem to be OK.
     
  6. Blueone

    Blueone Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Jan 24, 2007
    Lake Erie, Ohio
    2004 420 Sundancer
    Cummins 6CTA 450's
    You are stretching the material when you form that tight of an angle....making what is already thin material very thin at the corner.. so it’s going to be a weak point.... vibration, internal pressure, bumping it is going to create separation. The pic of the larger radius should be night and day for strength
    I sure would be upset about this if it was my boat. I would talk to CAT themselves not necessarily a dealer unless that’s your only avenue. and show them what happened. CAT would not ignore this
     
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  7. JVM225

    JVM225 Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Apr 8, 2008
    Farmingdale, NY
    2002 410 Sundancer, Monaco Edition.
    3126 Cats.
    I keep a spare set of primary and secondary fuel filters for both motors and the generator on the boat along with a bunch of other odds and ends. Hopefully I’ll never need them.
    That would be my call too. Maybe it was a bad batch from their supplier or something. They’ll probably want to know about that.
     
  8. JVM225

    JVM225 Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Apr 8, 2008
    Farmingdale, NY
    2002 410 Sundancer, Monaco Edition.
    3126 Cats.
    BTW: Took a quick look at the specs for the WIX filter and it says it’s 6 micron.
    I wonder if anyone is using them.
     
  9. The Bill Collector

    The Bill Collector Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Jun 2, 2008
    Tacoma, WA
    450 Sundancer
    3126 Cat's
    We had our boat for less than 90 days and I noticed the warning light on the helm showing the aft bilge pump kicking on and off. I put the boat in neutral and investigated the ER. The starboard engine mounted CAT fuel filter had blown the rubber seal out and the ER was not a pretty sight. I limped into the marina on the port engine and did not enjoy the cleanup... The mechanic in So. Cal. that did the survey did oil, filters & belts as part of my baseline for maintenance issues. I called him and let him know I was not happy and he said he had never had that happen before.
     
  10. Carpediem44DB

    Carpediem44DB Well-Known Member PLATINUM Sponsor

    567
    Aug 18, 2015
    Sanfransico Bay area
    2006 44 DB Sedan Bridge Raymarine gs165 w Quantum HD Radar
    Achilles 350 Dink
    Nick Jackson Davit
    Cummins QSC 8.3 500 HD
    That was me, the filter was on friend's Cummins Powered Meridian 411 that he just purchased locally and had the engines serviced with new filters. Filter had 4 or 5 hours on it and pretty evenly broadcasted about 10 gallons of red fuel in his engine room. On the bright side he has not had any corrosion issues this past year! The filters were the red after market filters instead of Cummins OEM. I remember at the time there was discussion about the wisdom of saving a few bucks by not using OEM. Just goes to prove anyone can have QC issues. I was in the engine room and had to have the owner start the engine to find the source since there was so much dripping fuel it was impossible to tell even which engine it came from. I got quite the lubing myself in the time it took the owner to shut the damn thing off after I blew out my larynx telling him to shut them down!
    Humph, Maybe this is a left coast thing:D
     
  11. mquiet

    mquiet Well-Known Member

    Aug 4, 2009
    North carolina
    1999 480 Sedan Bridge
    Caterpillar 3196
    Thanks, I will check mine this weekend.
     
  12. Boat Guy

    Boat Guy Well-Known Member

    Is this something new or do you boaters with years of experience recall this happening years ago?

    I've never heard of this before and find it very troubling. I wonder if the manufacturers are simply cutting costs on production.
     
  13. Snapon24

    Snapon24 Member

    65
    Sep 16, 2018
    Long Island, NY
    1988 340 Express Cruiser
    Twin FWC 7.4L Mercruisers w/straight drives
    That's defective. I work at a Cat dealer and that's very rare. Id let the dealer you bought it from know, they should make good on it.
     
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  14. JVM225

    JVM225 Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Apr 8, 2008
    Farmingdale, NY
    2002 410 Sundancer, Monaco Edition.
    3126 Cats.
    Absolutely! The dealer will probably let Cat know about it.
    I doubt that Cat actually makes their own filters and they would probably want to know if there is a potential problem with a batch of filters they got from their vendor.
     
  15. HUMPH

    HUMPH Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Nov 4, 2009
    SF BAY AREA
    2003 410DA,
    2009 Walker Bay 13’
    CAT 3126TA's 350HP/
    50HP Honda
    No, that was from breaking it loose.
     
  16. HUMPH

    HUMPH Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Nov 4, 2009
    SF BAY AREA
    2003 410DA,
    2009 Walker Bay 13’
    CAT 3126TA's 350HP/
    50HP Honda
    Nope! I hand tighten always!
     
  17. HUMPH

    HUMPH Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Nov 4, 2009
    SF BAY AREA
    2003 410DA,
    2009 Walker Bay 13’
    CAT 3126TA's 350HP/
    50HP Honda
    Yes I do believe so.
     
  18. HUMPH

    HUMPH Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Nov 4, 2009
    SF BAY AREA
    2003 410DA,
    2009 Walker Bay 13’
    CAT 3126TA's 350HP/
    50HP Honda
    These were purchased from Holt CAT in Stockton California
     
  19. ttmott

    ttmott PhD in OCD GOLD Sponsor

    Apr 3, 2012
    Space Coast Florida
    2006 52 Sedan Bridge
    Cummins QSM11
    This problem must have happened after you ran the boat. Otherwise that engine would have shut down. Good thing the filters are installed somewhat high with respect to the fuel tanks.
     

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