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[alnav]

I was buying safety supplies form a wholesaler a few days ago. They had just opened the retail part of the business. I needed hearing protection muffs for the jetboat. I asked the clerk if any clients had reported any sick people. Answer was one customer who was in the recycling business. They had 2 employees catch the virus and had recovered. Has anyone been sick or does any one know first had some one who has been sick. From the doctors I have been seeing the comment was elderly and mostly the sick ones are the ones that seem to catch it and die.

Yes, several. Retired Navy Captain who was a peer of mine at a previous company, mid 70s. Waited to retire until he was 70 as he loved his work managing veteran transition programs. Superb athlete, college football player. Got it in March before the alarm was sounded, long hospitalization before succumbing.

An employee of mine out of San Diego, 40ish. Not hospitalized but was out of action for six weeks and says she is being told she may have lingering heart damage. Also got it in March.

Head Trainer at my local gym, late 30s. Went back to work and allegedly was seen providing training sans mask, which the facility required. Fully recovered at home and said continuing to work out helped. Posted his story on Facebook but might lose his job since the clientele is now up in arms because they weren't notified when he tested positive. Got it in June.

 

[JimT]

I was buying safety supplies form a wholesaler a few days ago. They had just opened the retail part of the business. I needed hearing protection muffs for the jetboat. I asked the clerk if any clients had reported any sick people. Answer was one customer who was in the recycling business. They had 2 employees catch the virus and had recovered. Has anyone been sick or does any one know first had some one who has been sick. From the doctors I have been seeing the comment was elderly and mostly the sick ones are the ones that seem to catch it and die.

My daughter in Orlando had Covid. She thought she had a sinus infection. Doctor told her to get tested. She had minor symptoms for two days then felt fine. She quarantined. Got the positive test result in about a week. Got a rapid test a week later which was about two weeks from the initial symptoms. Came back negative.

 

[firecadet613]

That is your choice, but you also wont be alerted if you have come in close contact with someone that is positive. You will not know at all until (or I guess, unless) you get sick and get a test. By then, if you are sick, you will have been a carrier for as long as 14 days or more. That is the whole point. So taking away the mask effectiveness issue, this seems like a good societal thing to do.

True, however, how many have been sick and shown no symptoms, that are now recovered? Also, the test is only for that moment in time. You could have the virus, test negative - but then the next day it'd turn up positive? And do you really believe that if you have it set to off, it's truly "off"?

So many variables - not to mention the multiple tests showing false positives, there by inflating the numbers.

 

[El Capitan]

That is only partially true. You can't walk into the ER and get a knee replacement. If you have a chronic illness, the ER doesn't help with maintenance. And government provided healthcare is rationed -- it has to be as it isn't unlimited. The rationing is done by wait times. Simple economics.

Partially true. If you are say diabetic. You walk in to an ER you’re getting insulin.
Wait times is not a FUNCTION of rationing. It is the CONSEQUENCE.

 

[El Capitan]

My wife does not have a cell phone perhaps the governments of the world will give all its citizens cell phones with the app built in. If our countries can give the non working money a cell phone is not much of an expense.

Obama did that to the poor. Called Obama phone.

BTW countries will be distributing those “cell phones” very soon.
It’s called the vaccine.

 

[Golfman25]

Wait times is not a FUNCTION of rationing. It is the CONSEQUENCE.

Do you realize what you said? Sounds like a distinction without a difference. If you don't ration by price, you ration by waiting time. Period.

 

[El Capitan]

Do you realize what you said? Sounds like a distinction without a difference. If you don't ration by price, you ration by waiting time. Period.

Delay of care is not a denial of care.
In the healthcare industry “rationing” is viewed as limiting eligibility for coverage and limits on benefits. The wait times are irrelevant if you have no coverage

Wait times is not a tactic used to ration care. Rationing is easily implemented by limiting Or restricting types of coverage and eligibility.

Wait times is a result of lack in capacity not eligibility nor coverage limitations.

In Canada and UK there are severe capacity limitations but everyone is eligible. Everyone gets care, eventually.

 

[skibum]

The lack of a distinction between 'lack of healthcare' and 'lack of coverage' is astounding. The two are not the same.

We take out loans to buy a car or a house. Why not do the same for an operation? Every hospital in the country will allow you to set up a payment plan if you get hit with a large bill. Most are interest free, pay what you can deals. The key is to be a good credit risk. You don't have to be rich to get health care, you just need to be a good 'risk'. They'll treat you if they have reason to believe that you'll make a good faith attempt at paying them back.

 

[MonacoMike]

The lack of a distinction between 'lack of healthcare' and 'lack of coverage' is astounding. The two are not the same.

We take out loans to buy a car or a house. Why not do the same for an operation? Every hospital in the country will allow you to set up a payment plan if you get hit with a large bill. Most are interest free, pay what you can deals. The key is to be a good credit risk. You don't have to be rich to get health care, you just need to be a good 'risk'. They'll treat you if they have reason to believe that you'll make a good faith attempt at paying them back.

And if you can’t pay them back and if they turn you over to collections, you can bankrupt it away easily. And bankruptcy is so benign today that you can buy a house sometimes as soon as 24 months after that bankruptcy.

 

[MonacoMike]

 

[alnav]

Answer: Because they have been wearing masks, and face shields too when appropriate. A large part, medical workers are obviously using PPE. Same with government workers where it's required. Commercial establishments responsible for the rest largely mandated masks for their workers early on and have gradually been applying this policy to patrons as well. Government mask mandates typically applied to public establishment staffs first before expanding to all. Since establishments risk penalties for not enforcing mask laws, such as losing their licenses, enforcement for these workers is better as well.

Studies have shown that essential workers actually have lower infection and death rates than the general public.

 

[Great Lakes]

Answer: Because they have been wearing masks, and face shields too when appropriate. A large part, medical workers are obviously using PPE.

Correction: Covid ran through the OR staff at both hospitals my wife works at. We know this because they were offered the antibody test from the hospital. Even though they were wearing that super duper awesome PPE... 41% of the OR staff at first hospital and 48% at the 2nd hospital had antibodies. Not one person knew they had it. So for you to say they're not dying cuz of PPE is factual false.

So the real answer is: It's not killing them at an alarming rate because it's not as deadly as the media and dems lead you to believe.

 

[Creekwood]

Correction: Covid ran through the OR staff at both hospitals my wife works at. We know this because they were offered the antibody test from the hospital. Even though they were wearing that super duper awesome PPE... 41% of the OR staff at first hospital and 48% at the 2nd hospital had antibodies. Not one person knew they had it. So for you to say they're not dying cuz of PPE is factual false.

So the real answer is: It's not killing them at an alarming rate because it's not as deadly as the media and dems lead you to believe.

Actually its because the higher death rates are in categories of "co-morbidity" that is not as high in the front-line health care workers. Its become clear who is more at risk of serious illness and it is those that already have other health issues. And the reason that front line health care workers were PPE is as much to protect others as them. If you have ever been in a hospital, you know that the people there are sick. Many have the "co-morbidity" issues and many are cancer patients and other patients with compromized health. That is why they are there. The docs and nurses do not want to spread COVID to those patients. So that is a huge reason why they wear the PPE.

If a doctor came up from emerg to see my father in his bed and was not wearing a mask and my father picked up COVID and passed away, I am sure one of the many personal injury lawyers would be more than happy to take up the case.

 

[Great Lakes]

For my Canadian friends..

 

[Great Lakes]

The governor and all his people wear masks... the virus is gonna do its thing and nothing will stop it

 

[Golfman25]

Delay of care is not a denial of care.
In the healthcare industry “rationing” is viewed as limiting eligibility for coverage and limits on benefits. The wait times are irrelevant if you have no coverage

Wait times is not a tactic used to ration care. Rationing is easily implemented by limiting Or restricting types of coverage and eligibility.

Wait times is a result of lack in capacity not eligibility nor coverage limitations.

In Canada and UK there are severe capacity limitations but everyone is eligible. Everyone gets care, eventually.

If you read what I posted you'd understand. Medical care is not unlimited. When you make everyone eligible for medical care, like universal government systems do, it has to be rationed -- that is an economic fact. Since it is no longer rationed by price, it is rationed by wait times. If you can't get it now, you either pay more for it (bid the price up) or you need to wait. That is simple supply/demand economics.

 

[Golfman25]

The governor and all his people wear masks... the virus is gonna do its thing and nothing will stop it
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Anyone get the feeling there is something wrong with the tests?

 

[bobeast]

So you can't believe US media, you can't believe global media, you can't believe politicians. The only source of the truth is what, social media and private web sites? Or is there just no truth anywhere any more? Or is the only truth the one that supports your view?

The truth can only be found in your own personal experience.

 

[MonacoMike]

The truth can only be found in your own personal experience.

I believe Blueone addressed this recently, I trust what I see with my eyes, I trust my instincts, I trust a select group of very intellectual friends from a wide variety of STEM fields, with what they see with their eyes and what their instincts tell them.

We all devour a wide variety information then distill it down to what the truth is.

There is so much of an agenda, narratives, and misinformation campaign’s from so many sources we are in unprecedented times. We have foreign countries that influence American news coverage. Then to top it off we have all of that inside our American government.

So tell me, just who do you trust?

 

[Creekwood]

I believe Blueone addressed this recently, I trust what I see with my eyes, I trust my instincts, I trust a select group of very intellectual friends from a wide variety of STEM fields, with what they see with their eyes and what their instincts tell them.

We all devour a wide variety information then distill it down to what the truth is.

There is so much of an agenda, narratives, and misinformation campaign’s from so many sources we are in unprecedented times. We have foreign countries that influence American news coverage. Then to top it off we have all of that inside our American government.

So tell me, just who do you trust?

My CSR friends, of course! I truly respect your views and perspective. It helps me form mine, which still may differ, but I will be clear on why. (El Capitan excluded from that statement. I am sure his feelings will be hurt)