How To Replace and Improve the Sea Ray Systems Monitor

TN370 said:
... Oh. Does anyone know if the systems monitor keeps any systems from working or the boat from running while disconnected?
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No it only monitors things and does not affect the operation of the boat.
 
TN370 said:
Alright, on the boat this weekend and can’t keep giving mean looks to the damn systems monitor. I’m going to order everything tonight to get the upgrade done. If anyone has a wire diagram for an 2001 460 I would really appreciate it. My PO gave me docs for the boat...
that’s to everyone on here for all the advice so far.
Oh. Does anyone know if the systems monitor keeps any systems from working or the boat from running while disconnected?
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A quick configuration diag. for you based upon 2002 460DA; they should be very close the same. Only one wire number I didn't know. There is nothing in the SR System Monitor nor this Maretron based configuration that will prevent the vessel from operating unless one of the battery positive wires shorted to ground. For example if the Generator Ign wire shorted to ground it would trip the generator's circuit breaker and it wouldn't run; same for the port and starboard ign feeds to the systems monitor. All of the fuses in the Blue Sea Systems fuse blocks need to be no greater than 5 amps.
SR 460 Sys Module 1.jpg

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ZZ13 said:
Well. The DDU is totally dead. None of the stimulus I tried sets off the alarm and the display is totally blank. I ran the disconnect the data cable test. Points to totally failed DDU. Only thing that does anything is if I disconnect ground only from the DDU, the alarm sounds. Looks like I may be doing the science project after all. Although I may just hook up the two emergency bilge pumps to an idiot light and call it done. I do want to know when they are on. All the engine stuff I don’t need.

So last time I used it a few weeks ago it worked fine. Then yesterday afternoon we had an intense storm with tons of rain and high wind for about 15 minutes. During that, lightning hit what seemed like right at the marina. That’s when I heard the System Monitor alarm. The display was dead and pushing the button didn’t stop the alarm. A few seconds later it just stopped on its own. All the other electronics on the boat still work fine.

So after noodling on it I think I am just going to get this and wire it to the two emergency pumps and the forward engine room bilge pump. If it runs usually means something not good. So I’ll leave the normal aft bilge pump not alarmed. I’ll mount it in place of the DDU.

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SKybolt said:
If you really want old school then check out this site: https://aqualarm.net/exhaust-engine...ing-kit-twin-with-12-detectors-bell-p-30.html

Or a more modern analog: https://www.bluesea.com/products/1850
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Years ago, a friend of mine, an Army Artillery Battalion Commander, told me "improve your foxhole every day".
This thread is all about how to replace and IMPROVE the Sea Ray Systems Monitor.....
First @ZZ13 goes back to a Ford Model T then @SKybolt of all people throws one down also.
You guys need to go to the antique clock repair section....
 
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ttmott said:
Years ago, a friend of mine, an Army Artillery Battalion Commander, told me "improve your foxhole every day".
This thread is all about how to replace and IMPROVE the Sea Ray Systems Monitor.....
First @ZZ13 goes back to a Ford Model T then @SKybolt of all people throws one down also.
You guys need to go to the antique clock repair section....
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Yeah. I felt bad about somewhat hijacking your thread. Tell you what, I’ll go modify and delete my posts to take out anything not specific to the upgrade. If I decide to do the upgrade I’ll post how I did. If I decide to go the simple route I’ll start a new thread talking about it.
 
ZZ13 said:
Yeah. I felt bad about somewhat hijacking your thread. Tell you what, I’ll go modify and delete my posts to take out anything not specific to the upgrade. If I decide to do the upgrade I’ll post how I did. If I decide to go the simple route I’ll start a new thread talking about it.
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No need Bill - I'm just poking the bear....
 
ttmott said:
Years ago, a friend of mine, an Army Artillery Battalion Commander, told me "improve your foxhole every day".
This thread is all about how to replace and IMPROVE the Sea Ray Systems Monitor.....
First @ZZ13 goes back to a Ford Model T then @SKybolt of all people throws one down also.
You guys need to go to the antique clock repair section....
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Deleted mine as well. Sorry Tom, but it is rare when even the topic starter stays on point.

I will say this about low tech. Sometimes it is the easiest way to get the job done, especially where the SM is concerned. That's not to say I regret installing this system and actually I have had mine in place long before this thread was started. There are a few things that bother me about this system though, the original LED and digital display models were designed to be on 24/7 and this one isn't. I only leave the Maretron on when I am on the boat and only away from the dock. The display doesn't have an option to turn off the display only backlight settings and off is not one of them. So that means no alarms when you might need them. Granted I could turn them on as soon as I am on the boat but usually forget or just don't do that.

My solution for this is since I put in digital switching I can now remotely turn on the DSM that is my System Monitor and should be able to get alarms remotely. I haven't tested that as yet but plan on finishing this in the coming weeks. Even though I can turn them on remotely it doesn't change the fact that the display will be on anyway.


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SKybolt said:
Deleted mine as well. Sorry Tom, but it is rare when even the topic starter stays on point.

I will say this about low tech. Sometimes it is the easiest way to get the job done, especially where the SM is concerned. That's not to say I regret installing this system and actually I have had mine in place long before this thread was started. There are a few things that bother me about this system though, the original LED and digital display models were designed to be on 24/7 and this one isn't. I only leave the Maretron on when I am on the boat and only away from the dock. The display doesn't have an option to turn off the display only backlight settings and off is not one of them. So that means no alarms when you might need them. Granted I could turn them on as soon as I am on the boat but usually forget or just don't do that.

My solution for this is since I put in digital switching I can now remotely turn on the DSM that is my System Monitor and should be able to get alarms remotely. I haven't tested that as yet but plan on finishing this in the coming weeks. Even though I can turn them on remotely it doesn't change the fact that the display will be on anyway.


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Sure it does - hold the power button and wait until the 3, 2, 1 countdown finishes and it shuts down. My helm Maretron display I shut down unless we are using the boat. The controlling Maretron display in the solon is on 24/7.
But, whatever Maretron display is controlling the system must be on for the Systems Monitor to operate just like the Sea Ray Systems Monitor did.
 
ttmott said:
Sure it does - hold the power button and wait until the 3, 2, 1 countdown finishes and it shuts down. My helm Maretron display I shut down unless we are using the boat. The controlling Maretron display in the solon is on 24/7.
But, whatever Maretron display is controlling the system must be on for the Systems Monitor to operate just like the Sea Ray Systems Monitor did.
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Right and that was my point, to turn off the screen you need to shutdown the device, sorry if that was unclear. The controlling display must always be on to get the alarms. I don't like leaving the display on because of screen burn even though I have the backlight set to 1 for the lowest setting. I have an older DSM150 in my electric panel, I guess I could add the alarms to that and leave that on. But the same concern with screen burn.
 
SKybolt said:
Right and that was my point, to turn off the screen you need to shutdown the device, sorry if that was unclear. The controlling display must always be on to get the alarms. I don't like leaving the display on because of screen burn even though I have the backlight set to 1 for the lowest setting. I have an older DSM150 in my electric panel, I guess I could add the alarms to that and leave that on. But the same concern with screen burn.
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Mine have been on for several years; no indication of a screen burn.... Although my screen does automatically cycle through all of the active pages which would reduce any burn-in. I had thought the Maretron screen technology was devoid of those types of issues. Regardless, I think it important the system monitors 24/7 and notifies me of a problem no matter where I'm at; especially bilge pumps cycling. Not much else does that and that is part of what I reference to "improve".
 
@ttmott @SKybolt

Even if the RIM is continually powered, it’s not outputting data that could be remotely monitored?

I have different power sources just for this purpose…
 
dtfeld said:
@ttmott @SKybolt

Even if the RIM is continually powered, it’s not outputting data that could be remotely monitored?

I have different power sources just for this purpose…
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My RIM and other devices are on 24/7 but the alarms only come from the displays with Maretron, so the display that monitors the bus and creates alarms has to be on to receive/produce alarms.

Where the IPG100 is concerned and I think where your question stems from, the status of any RIM100 device is monitored by the IPG100. The issue is the IPG100 is crippled where the alarms are concerned. You have to configure the screens with N2KView and when that is connected the to IPG100 it will not allow alarm configuration. This is a very big either oversight or on purpose for licensing reasons that Maretron has done. But as long as a display is on that can produce/monitor alarms then your ok. You can select a bilge pump status to monitor with the N2Kview and the IPG will display the status of that but no alarm. This is also on my list of things to change, and I think I another DSM410 is in my future. Since I already have one set up as a SM I will put that in the salon and put a new one in it's place. Spent an inordinate amount of time programming the alarms don't want to do that again.


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The IPG100 should allow backing up all configurations similar to the USB100. I made sure I have a couple copies in various places because reprogramming is several hours work.
 
SKybolt said:
My RIM and other devices are on 24/7 but the alarms only come from the displays with Maretron, so the display that monitors the bus and creates alarms has to be on to receive/produce alarms.

Where the IPG100 is concerned and I think where your stems from, the status of any RIM100 device is monitored by the IPG100. The issue is the IPG100 is crippled where the alarms are concerned. You have to configure the screens with N2KView and when that is connected the to IPG100 it will not allow alarm configuration. This is a very big either oversight or on purpose for licensing reasons that Maretron has done. But as long as a display is on that can produce/monitor alarms then your ok. You can select a bilge pump status to monitor with the N2Kview and the IPG will display the status of that but no alarm. This is also on my list of things to change, and I think I another DSM410 is in my future. Since I already have one set up as a SM I will put that in the salon and put a new one in it's place. Spent an inordinate amount of time programming the alarms don't want to do that again.


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dtfeld said:
The IPG100 should allow backing up all configurations similar to the USB100. I made sure I have a couple copies in various places because reprogramming is several hours work.
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Chu guys - making this simple configuration appear way more complex than intended. The capability for growth and enhancement, however, for the Maretron based system is almost endless.

For the layman and DIY folks -
  • The SR Systems Monitor is always on and powered up
  • The Maretron configuration for a replacement is always on and powered up - if you want it on.
  • If you want to monitor and check remotely, the Maretron based system can be enhanced to give you those features also but the baseline as I've laid out monitors and displays what the SR Systems Monitor provides.
  • If you want to add tank, generator, engine performance monitor you can do that also as Maretron has all of the technology and expansibility to do that.
 
ttmott said:
Chu guys - making this simple configuration appear way more complex than intended. The capability for growth and enhancement, however, for the Maretron based system is almost endless. ...
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Maybe so, but it does take hours of programming to get it to work right with alarms etc. It's definitely not just plug and play and @dtfeld's backup method is definitely needed, IMO.
 
SKybolt said:
Maybe so, but it does take hours of programming to get it to work right with alarms etc. It's definitely not just plug and play and @dtfeld's backup method is definitely needed, IMO.
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But it's textbook stuff - read the manual and it's easy. It just takes some time.
 
superwa said:
Does maretron offer this installation via local dealers?
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Your not going to find anyone that is capable of doing this for you unfortunately and if you do it will be a small fortune. Not saying there isn't capable installers out there, its just you really need to specialize in Sea Rays and then spend the better part of a day programming everything. I am guess it would cost 2-3K at a minimum.
 
ttmott said:
What replaces the Systems Monitor module in the engine room is the Maretron RIM100. The existing wiring, at least most of it, that connected to the Systems Monitor module now connects to the RIM100. The data that the RIM100 creates then transmits over the NMEA 2000 network and gets displayed on the DSM410. Super simple.
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Our SM display crapped out circa May of this year, and I'm still pondering solutions. I've tried simple diagnostics and the reset procedures (for the "newer" SM part numbers than what we have), no joy so far. Not unexpected. And in the meantime, I've been trying to memorize :) what you've done to replace/upgrade.

In the meantime, some info on "simple" replacement is here:
http://clubsearay.com/index.php?thr...vailable-at-marine-max-brick-to-order.110932/

I haven't even put eyes on our bilge interface yet, and haven't tried bypassing existing coax to see if our issue is relatively minor. Not expecting it is...

Anyway, can you describe the physical connections at the RIM100? Are the existing sensor wires all connected to the original bilge interface module with ring terminals on studs? If so, are the Maretron connections using those same ring terminals on RIM100 studs? Off the old, onto the new?

Or...?

-Chris
 
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