Omicron, the sequel

tc410 said:
One of the more educated and articulate ones will even say “what’s wrong with you?”
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Well, that's the first thing you have gotten right in this entire thread, I am more articulate and educated than most. :D

But, alas, you are wrong again also. I am not anti-vax. I am fully vaxxed. I have chosen not to get the booster yet, as I had COVID after getting vaxed and there is mounting evidence that natural immunity is more effective than vaxed "immunity". Like many on here, I will follow the science and not the mandates and demands of career politicians who have sucked off of the public their entire careers and never contributed a single thing to society (nothing is funnier than Joebama claiming to have "created" 6+ million jobs, which are actually people returning to the jobs they had pre-covid after deciding to quit hiding from the virus). I will make a thoughtful and well reasoned decision on getting the booster based on what is best for me and my family, as everyone in this country should have the right and obligation to do. For me, the side effects from the vax were significantly worse than the disease it is meant stop. I don't care what you decided to do. That is between you, your doctor and your family.

When I asked what was wrong with you I was being kind. But you didn't take the hint. So I will ask the question I was trying to avoid: Why are you such an arrogant douche? You didn't go to Notre Dame by chance, did you? You remind me of my brothers in law who both went to ND and somehow feel that makes them better than everyone else. But they are both dumber than the box of rocks @sbw1 insists on handing out.
 
firecadet613 said:
If one was sick for two months after getting the 2nd shot, I'd have to question the doctors reasoning on recommending the booster, which has shown very limited effectiveness against Omicron.
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While the boosters do not provide perfect protection against infection, they are proving to be highly effective against severe disease, hospitalization and death. Studies just out:
Boosters 90% effective in preventing severe COVID-19, hospitalizations
"Booster shots of the Moderna and Pfizer/BioNTech COVID-19 vaccines were 90% effective in preventing hospitalizations from the omicron variant through the last quarter of 2021, data released Friday from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention shows.
Three studies published by the CDC, looking at millions of COVID-19 cases, showed that the vaccine boosters provide strong protection against severe disease or hospitalization from the omicron variant across the country."
"...a third dose of either the Pfizer/BioNTech or Moderna shots prevented 9 out of 10 hospitalizations and roughly 8 out of 10 trips to an emergency room or urgent care facility."
https://www.fox13memphis.com/news/t...-hospitalizations/WCI3J7EFGNEX5BHKVX6IKWPP7E/
 
firecadet613 said:
Stay warm up there!.
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That’s not going to happen :(

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sbw1 said:
The anti-vaxxeers are the vast majority of patients in Michigan hospital ICUs. Very few are taking up space there who have had a full series plus a booster shot. The boosters appear to be working based upon the average daily census in our ICUs. Must be some sort of conspiracy.
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Not the hospital where my wife works. 47% are vaxxed
 
Great Lakes said:
Not the hospital where my wife works. 47% are vaxxed
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Who knew there'd be such a disparity in the ICUs on each side of Michigan! I am not doubting your wife, but rather the numbers we see reported by the authorities...
 
alnav said:
While the boosters do not provide perfect protection against infection, they are proving to be highly effective against severe disease, hospitalization and death. Studies just out:
Boosters 90% effective in preventing severe COVID-19, hospitalizations
"Booster shots of the Moderna and Pfizer/BioNTech COVID-19 vaccines were 90% effective in preventing hospitalizations from the omicron variant through the last quarter of 2021, data released Friday from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention shows.
Three studies published by the CDC, looking at millions of COVID-19 cases, showed that the vaccine boosters provide strong protection against severe disease or hospitalization from the omicron variant across the country."
"...a third dose of either the Pfizer/BioNTech or Moderna shots prevented 9 out of 10 hospitalizations and roughly 8 out of 10 trips to an emergency room or urgent care facility."
https://www.fox13memphis.com/news/t...-hospitalizations/WCI3J7EFGNEX5BHKVX6IKWPP7E/
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How do they know it was the booster that did this? Why not the 1st or second dose? How do they know it prevented hospitalizations, let alone 90%? How do they know that people who got the booster would have gotten seriously ill or been admitted to the hospital for COVID? Asking for a friend.
 
firecadet613 said:
It's not looking good for the vaccinated...

"Israel, where many received 3rd and 4th boosters, reports 69,104 new Covid cases. The country has the highest daily cases per capita globally now (JPost/ToI)"

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-694179

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israe...er-capita-exposed-schoolkids-wont-quarantine/
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Do more tests, find more cases....

'The numbers comparing each country’s seven-day running average put Israel at the top, Prof. Eran Segal of The Weizmann Institute said.


But Segal noted it was likely that Israel was not truly the country with the highest infection rate. Rather, he attributed the figures to Israel being a leading country in the number of tests performed each day, relative to its population size.


Israel is followed in the highest daily cases worldwide ranking by Mongolia, Peru, Canada and Georgia.'

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israe...per-capita-exposed-schoolkids-wont-quarantine
 
highslice said:
How do they know it was the booster that did this? Why not the 1st or second dose? How do they know it prevented hospitalizations, let alone 90%? How do they know that people who got the booster would have gotten seriously ill or been admitted to the hospital for COVID? Asking for a friend.
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There is some clinical evidence that is emerging that boosters have an effect. While ICUs have many patients who are not vaccinated, and a few patients percentage wise who have had breakthrough infections following both Pfizer and Moderna shots, there are very few ICU patients percentage wise who are fully vaccinated and boosted. The clinical inference is the boosters are having an effect. It is a bit early to assume this is the case but it is the current clinical impression among some hospitalists. We are still learning about this disease.
 
sbw1 said:
His nurse is no doubt an expert having passed the 14 day training period for becoming an office nurse.
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Not sure you need a medical degree to know your premature newborn grandson is in the hospital with COVID? Or that you had horrible side effects to the vax so bad that you are willing to be terminated over it? Seems you are really stretching here
 
boatman37 said:
Not sure you need a medical degree to know your premature newborn grandson is in the hospital with COVID? Or that you had horrible side effects to the vax so bad that you are willing to be terminated over it? Seems you are really stretching here
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Where did you attend medical school @boatman37 :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:. The resident CSR experts have said you cannot have an opinion on this unless you are trained in medicine! We should be ashamed of ourselves for even discussing this...:eek:
 
Steve S said:
As a point of reference:

I just found out that a business associate recently passed away from Covid. President of a local tool grinding facility. In his mid fifties.

He was an "Anti-vaxxer" who thought Covid wasn't deadly.
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How many co morbidities?
 
It’s funny reading when someone posts they’ll “follow the science” on Covid. Especially when that “science” is really the opinion from interested parties who change their opinions monthly.

First, there is no consensus therefore there is no science.

Secondly even if there was it changes every month.

Good luck following that “science”.
 
El Capitan said:
How many co morbidities?
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Such a profound question as usual from you. Does it matter? Is it supposed to make the dead guy or his family feel better if he had comorbitities? To speak in the words of you and your compadres, “only a moron would ask that question.”
 
tc410 said:
Such a profound question as usual from you. Does it matter? Is it supposed to make the dead guy or his family feel better if he had comorbitities? To speak in the words of you and your compadres, “only a moron would ask that question.”
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If one is only alive because modern medicine is keeping your unhealthy self alive...

The flu could likely take that same person out...
 
highslice said:
How do they know it was the booster that did this? Why not the 1st or second dose? How do they know it prevented hospitalizations, let alone 90%? How do they know that people who got the booster would have gotten seriously ill or been admitted to the hospital for COVID? Asking for a friend.
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Short answer is that they compare outcomes by vaccination status and calculate odds. Beyond this, go read the studies. They are public record.
 
Woody said:
Do more tests, find more cases....

'The numbers comparing each country’s seven-day running average put Israel at the top, Prof. Eran Segal of The Weizmann Institute said.


But Segal noted it was likely that Israel was not truly the country with the highest infection rate. Rather, he attributed the figures to Israel being a leading country in the number of tests performed each day, relative to its population size.


Israel is followed in the highest daily cases worldwide ranking by Mongolia, Peru, Canada and Georgia.'

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israe...per-capita-exposed-schoolkids-wont-quarantine
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I have seen estimates that the number of new daily infections in the U.S. is on the order of 6 million.
 
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