SOBs Ruined Halloween

Thanks to Pope Fauci et. al. for ruining Halloween for all these kids. Was a perfect evening -- 55 deg., sunny. We had maybe 6-7 small groups of kids (normally goes all night). Usually have transfers from other neighborhoods. Nada, nothing. Have 4 bags of candy left. If you can go to freaking Walmart, you can go trick or treating. F them all.

Kudo's to the young princess giving them all the middle finger, eating her candy as she got it.
Dr. Fauci did not recommend no trick or treating. He did state that it would be safer if the kids wore a mask and hand-sanitized between candy grabs. More likely individual families made their own risk assessments, which is as it should be.
Dr. Fauci says Halloween can be ‘reasonably safe’ if kids wear masks, use hand sanitizer
https://www.nbcnews.com/video/dr-fa...ids-wear-masks-use-hand-sanitizer-95025733974
 
Dr. Fauci did not recommend no trick or treating. He did state that it would be safer if the kids wore a mask and hand-sanitized between candy grabs. More likely individual families made their own risk assessments, which is as it should be.
Dr. Fauci says Halloween can be ‘reasonably safe’ if kids wear masks, use hand sanitizer
https://www.nbcnews.com/video/dr-fa...ids-wear-masks-use-hand-sanitizer-95025733974
You can't get on TV everyday as Dr. Glum and Debbie Downer telling everyone the world is ending and not have a negative effect on everything. Especially when the media laps it up like a starving dog, 24/7.

Right now, I can't go eat, socially distanced with a mask indoors at a local restaurant (but I can go in and play the slots). However, I can go eat, socially distanced with a mask, inside an enclosed circus tent with doors, walls, heat, etc. You tell me the freaking difference.
 
Such an ignorant post. 230,000+ people dead isn't enough for you??? I work in the Immunology industry, second line support, and things are getting crazy. SCREW your Halloween, I'd rather see fewer kids die from Covid.

It would be interesting to see the media, medical professionals and everyone else get equally as passionate about some of the more statistically significant ways we meet our demise here in the USA. Data seems to suggest that our penchant for unhealthy food and drink kills a whole lot more Americans than Covid. Is it just the way we spread it that makes it worthy of our attention and public policy?

The WHO reports 2.8Million people die from obesity (and related complications?) each year, globally. We're not even half way there yet with Covid-19 with only 2 months to go. As someone who tries to avoid media as much as humanly possible these days I do struggle to rationalize our response to Covid against the fact that Burger King and McDonalds are for more deadly to me and my kids.

And an honest question - what does it mean that "things are getting crazy"? What really drove me away from the media earlier this year was a story about Detroit "running out of places" to put dead bodies. As a country we deal with 57,000 new dead bodies every single week. That we could sensationalize 10 +/- bodies in Detroit in temporary storage of some kind...that seemed like a new low for reporting integrity, at least to me.

I read somewhere (so it must be true :)) that more than 40% of total covid deaths come from nursing homes. Can this be true? And if so, how hard would it be to lock down nursing homes? Would this thread even exist if only 138,000 deaths had occurred at this point in the year, with 99% survival (if that's accurate?)?
 
You can't get on TV everyday as Dr. Glum and Debbie Downer telling everyone the world is ending and not have a negative effect on everything. Especially when the media laps it up like a starving dog, 24/7.

Right now, I can't go eat, socially distanced with a mask indoors at a local restaurant (but I can go in and play the slots). However, I can go eat, socially distanced with a mask, inside an enclosed circus tent with doors, walls, heat, etc. You tell me the freaking difference.
I think the next few weeks will be telling as to whether the warnings of a grim winter that Drs. Fauci and Birx (and all other experienced epidemiologists I have seen) are currently giving are valid. If we continue to mimic Europe lagged by a few weeks we may see cases well over 100K per day and deaths approaching if not exceeding the levels of the spring. Certainly the models the White House relies on are predicting that as well. Let's hope all are wrong.
In my state, a tent didn't count as outdoor dining unless it was 50% open with cross-ventilation. Is that not the case where you live?
 
It would be interesting to see the media, medical professionals and everyone else get equally as passionate about some of the more statistically significant ways we meet our demise here in the USA. Data seems to suggest that our penchant for unhealthy food and drink kills a whole lot more Americans than Covid. Is it just the way we spread it that makes it worthy of our attention and public policy?

The WHO reports 2.8Million people die from obesity (and related complications?) each year, globally. We're not even half way there yet with Covid-19 with only 2 months to go. As someone who tries to avoid media as much as humanly possible these days I do struggle to rationalize our response to Covid against the fact that Burger King and McDonalds are for more deadly to me and my kids.

And an honest question - what does it mean that "things are getting crazy"? What really drove me away from the media earlier this year was a story about Detroit "running out of places" to put dead bodies. As a country we deal with 57,000 new dead bodies every single week. That we could sensationalize 10 +/- bodies in Detroit in temporary storage of some kind...that seemed like a new low for reporting integrity, at least to me.

I read somewhere (so it must be true :)) that more than 40% of total covid deaths come from nursing homes. Can this be true? And if so, how hard would it be to lock down nursing homes? Would this thread even exist if only 138,000 deaths had occurred at this point in the year, with 99% survival (if that's accurate?)?

About 2.8 million people die each year in the US. We are essentially on that pace, even with Covid.
 
I think the next few weeks will be telling as to whether the warnings of a grim winter that Drs. Fauci and Birx (and all other experienced epidemiologists I have seen) are currently giving are valid. If we continue to mimic Europe lagged by a few weeks we may see cases well over 100K per day and deaths approaching if not exceeding the levels of the spring. Certainly the models the White House relies on are predicting that as well. Let's hope all are wrong.
In my state, a tent didn't count as outdoor dining unless it was 50% open with cross-ventilation. Is that not the case where you live?
Look at it this way. In the spring, we have zero idea how many cases there where. We could be doing way better for all we know. But cases are a crappy indicator -- they give you hints, but nothing firm with this virus because too much depends on who has the case. Deaths is a lagging number, but does in some sense tell you what is going on. In the spring, the virus was concentrated in the northeast -- mainly NY, NJ, etc. We where averaging just over 2000 deaths/day for a couple of week. Now this thing has spread thru the county. Cases may be better or worse than the spring, we really have zero idea. But deaths are in the 800s/day. But that is throughout the entire country. So are we really doing worse? Are we really facing Armageddon? Does everything have to be doom and gloom?

My question for Fauci eta. al. -- why haven't they focused at all on early treatment? Right now it's go home until you're in trouble, then come to the hospital. There is all kinds of anecdotal evidence about things that may help in the early stages, but we hear nothing from them.
 
Unfortunately for the pumpkins, they were not social distanced properly.
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Sometimes I wonder....if this virus swept through the entire population what we'd have after. We'd have been culled by Mother Nature, the human race would probably be better for it. Those still standing would no doubt be a healthier, genetically superior group and that might pay great benefits years or centuries down the road. But we're humans, we think we're smarter than some of the other animals, we're special.:rolleyes:
 
Look at it this way. In the spring, we have zero idea how many cases there where. We could be doing way better for all we know. But cases are a crappy indicator -- they give you hints, but nothing firm with this virus because too much depends on who has the case. Deaths is a lagging number, but does in some sense tell you what is going on. In the spring, the virus was concentrated in the northeast -- mainly NY, NJ, etc. We where averaging just over 2000 deaths/day for a couple of week. Now this thing has spread thru the county. Cases may be better or worse than the spring, we really have zero idea. But deaths are in the 800s/day. But that is throughout the entire country. So are we really doing worse? Are we really facing Armageddon? Does everything have to be doom and gloom?

My question for Fauci eta. al. -- why haven't they focused at all on early treatment? Right now it's go home until you're in trouble, then come to the hospital. There is all kinds of anecdotal evidence about things that may help in the early stages, but we hear nothing from them.
I look at it like this: The doctors some love to hate, unlike all the politicians involved, have nothing to lose or gain in this except for their reputations and they care about that. They may also be motivated by genuine desires to protect the health of patients, as doctors should. So, I take the now almost universal warnings of danger ahead from experienced professionals more seriously than the statements of anyone holding or seeking political office.
As to early treatment, the Regeneron "cocktail" the President took does appear to be a highly viable early treatment. But, there will not be enough to go around any time soon. The early treatment focus was originally on hydroxychloroquine and other off-the-shelf treatments which unfortunately haven't worked out. So, resources went there instead of building up the capability to create antibody treatments. I understand manufacturing will likely come up to speed after Christmas and wide availability of these treatments will have a material impact on the pandemic.
 
I look at it like this: The doctors some love to hate, unlike all the politicians involved, have nothing to lose or gain in this except for their reputations and they care about that. They may also be motivated by genuine desires to protect the health of patients, as doctors should. So, I take the now almost universal warnings of danger ahead from experienced professionals more seriously than the statements of anyone holding or seeking political office.
As to early treatment, the Regeneron "cocktail" the President took does appear to be a highly viable early treatment. But, there will not be enough to go around any time soon. The early treatment focus was originally on hydroxychloroquine and other off-the-shelf treatments which unfortunately haven't worked out. So, resources went there instead of building up the capability to create antibody treatments. I understand manufacturing will likely come up to speed after Christmas and wide availability of these treatments will have a material impact on the pandemic.
They never did any early treatment studies on Hydroxy or anything else like vitamin D, zinc, etc. Everything was after hospitalization. Admittedly, it would be hard to do "prove" it works since 90 some pct. of people don't go to the hospital. You would need a really large sample size, I think.

As for the Doctors, you're right. They have a single minded perspective. That's why they shouldn't make policy. Policy needs to be broadly based taking everything into account. The cure can't be worse than the disease.
 
They never did any early treatment studies on Hydroxy or anything else like vitamin D, zinc, etc. Everything was after hospitalization. Admittedly, it would be hard to do "prove" it works since 90 some pct. of people don't go to the hospital. You would need a really large sample size, I think.

As for the Doctors, you're right. They have a single minded perspective. That's why they shouldn't make policy. Policy needs to be broadly based taking everything into account. The cure can't be worse than the disease.
Early treatments have certainly been studied and numerous more are in progress. Here's one of many done on Hydroxychloroquine:
A Randomized Trial of Hydroxychloroquine as Postexposure Prophylaxis for Covid-19
"After high-risk or moderate-risk exposure to Covid-19, hydroxychloroquine did not prevent illness compatible with Covid-19 or confirmed infection when used as postexposure prophylaxis within 4 days after exposure."
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2016638

Verdict is mixed on Vitamin D but study is ongoing:
COVID-19: What role does vitamin D play?
"But does vitamin D have a part to play in COVID-19? By now, a number of studies have looked for links between the vitamin and the condition, and their findings have conflicted."
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/covid-19-what-role-does-vitamin-d-play

Agree the doctors shouldn't make policy and don't see evidence they've been doing so, just providing professional advice, not always taken by policy makers.
 
Thats not correct. Half of all scientists are below the median. Average (mean) and median are NOT the same.
You need to get out some paper and pencil....:rolleyes:
It could be that even more than half are below average.

When I see new Drs or nurses a few times I've asked them if they were an A student or bought the answers to the tests, just joking with them. I've never got a laugh from any of them. The ones that answered just said 'I passed'.:)
 
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