Switch Panel going haywire!

Discussion in 'Electrical Stuff' started by Seevee, Jan 12, 2018.

  1. Seevee

    Seevee Member

    232
    Dec 3, 2015
    St. Pete, FL
    280 Sundancer 2003,
    Garmin 4208, Ray 60
    4.3 Merc Twins, Alpha One, Kohler 5kw
    IMG_3770.JPG The electrical pad for lights, stereo, horn etc. is going haywire.

    It's part no. 1718618
    Description: MODULE, ELEC SWPAD S-CRUISER STBD CNVX RV2

    What is doing is that sometimes a switch doesn't work, then I push the next switch ant the first one works. The lights quit when I pushed the stereo button, pushed the stereo button again and the lights came on. Then pushed other buttons and got strange reactions. Pushed the bilge light and the horn blew.

    Suspect I've got some moisture in it, and need to dry it out, but it's been really wet all day long. Will put a heater on it later.

    Anyone had this happen?

    And if needed, does anyone have a source for these? Last time I check they were not being manufactured.
     
  2. KevinC

    KevinC Active Member

    671
    Feb 25, 2011
    Long Island, NY
    2004 340 Sundancer
    1988 Proline Center Console - 90hp Mariner/Mercury
    1969 Boston Whaler
    Twin 8.1 V-drives
    They should be available but only in black. The wood burl is a plastic cover that can be swapped over from the old to the new if interested. A few members have just recently swapped them out.

    -Kevin
     
  3. Seevee

    Seevee Member

    232
    Dec 3, 2015
    St. Pete, FL
    280 Sundancer 2003,
    Garmin 4208, Ray 60
    4.3 Merc Twins, Alpha One, Kohler 5kw
    Kevin,

    Who sells them? I check with Sea Ray a while ago and they said they didn't have them and don't support them anymore. I know they are used on a LOT of boats, SeaRay and others. Thx.
     
  4. KevinC

    KevinC Active Member

    671
    Feb 25, 2011
    Long Island, NY
    2004 340 Sundancer
    1988 Proline Center Console - 90hp Mariner/Mercury
    1969 Boston Whaler
    Twin 8.1 V-drives
    I have not purchased them however I spoke with a owner that said he got it from the local dealer. I also see at least one available on eBay.

    -Kevin
     
  5. Little Ducky

    Little Ducky Active Member

    594
    Jun 5, 2017
    Chattanooga TN/Dickson TN
    1998 SeaRay 290 Sundancer
    Twin EFI 5.0L w/Alpha 1 drives
    Boat Manufactures just need to keep their buttons simple.

    I would hate to have a boat that becomes inoperable because of some dash panel that went haywire and can't be replaced.

    I bet if you take that panel out of the dash and take it to a small electronics place they can take it apart and see what's going on. Reconnect loose connection and clean off any corrosion that might be present.
     
    Last edited: Jan 12, 2018
  6. Bt Doctur

    Bt Doctur Well-Known Member

    Aug 21, 2010
    New Jersey
    Ex SRV 240 Weekender twin
    in between
    you may only find 4,5,or 6 wires on those panels. they go to the EIM module
    that has all the needed wires for all the circuits.
    Worst case would be to install a new panel and hardwire the circuits
     
  7. Bt Doctur

    Bt Doctur Well-Known Member

    Aug 21, 2010
    New Jersey
    Ex SRV 240 Weekender twin
    in between
  8. Seevee

    Seevee Member

    232
    Dec 3, 2015
    St. Pete, FL
    280 Sundancer 2003,
    Garmin 4208, Ray 60
    4.3 Merc Twins, Alpha One, Kohler 5kw
    Ya, that's my understanding, but a bit vague on how it works. Overall, I'm not a fan of touch pads and in favor of switches which are MUCH easier to deal with. I'm gonna call my Merc dealer to see if they can help with aftermarket part numbers.
     
  9. KevinC

    KevinC Active Member

    671
    Feb 25, 2011
    Long Island, NY
    2004 340 Sundancer
    1988 Proline Center Console - 90hp Mariner/Mercury
    1969 Boston Whaler
    Twin 8.1 V-drives
    Personally I would have preferred that Sea Ray would have stuck with Carling switches wired to a traditional relay box. If one switch went bad you only need to replace one piece not some over priced module. Sometimes simplicity is better. If your away on a trip and the switch pad fails your not likely to find one available and all your switches would be out - however - a single carling switch would be relatively easy to find and replace or bypass with something else until a permanent repair can be made.

    -Kevin
     
  10. Bt Doctur

    Bt Doctur Well-Known Member

    Aug 21, 2010
    New Jersey
    Ex SRV 240 Weekender twin
    in between
    Simply the EIM contains the power ,fuses and relays that turn the items on and off . A coded signal is sent to the eim , decoded and the correct item powered up.
    Never was a fan of these fancy electronic items in a salt water enviroment.
    Dedicated switches can simply be replaced without have to replace a complete dash assembly.
    Seems like the imported Euro Engineers like curved surfaces and these electronic panels fit the build. Think like an American Engineer and re-engineer the panel for regular switches.
     
    Last edited: Jan 13, 2018
  11. lawndoctor

    lawndoctor Member SILVER Sponsor

    317
    Jun 5, 2008
    Chesapeake Bay & Philadelphia
    2009 330 Sundancer & 2002 225 Weekender
    8.1L V-Drives & Bravo III 5.0L
    I think that EIM thing has been one of Sea Ray’s worst screwups. And on my boat, not only is the EIM itself a problem but for some reason they installed the EIM box that contains the breaker for the hatch lift motor below deck, inside the bilge. Whoever made that decision must have been absent from boat school the day they were teaching about boats.
     
  12. Bt Doctur

    Bt Doctur Well-Known Member

    Aug 21, 2010
    New Jersey
    Ex SRV 240 Weekender twin
    in between
    that is one item I recommend to hard wired power cord directly to the lift motor(s) and place the wire in a convenient location to jumper or plug into a battery
     
  13. Seevee

    Seevee Member

    232
    Dec 3, 2015
    St. Pete, FL
    280 Sundancer 2003,
    Garmin 4208, Ray 60
    4.3 Merc Twins, Alpha One, Kohler 5kw
    Yes, SeaRay has made some screwups and the panel was one. I'll never have a boat with that again. that hatch breaker qualifies for a Darwin award!

    Well, my partner found both left and right panels and bought them. Not cheap. Like to have spares so the boat has minimal downtime, especially in the summer. Need to look into it a bit more and be sure it's not an EIM thing. If anyone knows how to test the EIM, let me know, and I'll take to a few mechanics I know.
     
  14. Seevee

    Seevee Member

    232
    Dec 3, 2015
    St. Pete, FL
    280 Sundancer 2003,
    Garmin 4208, Ray 60
    4.3 Merc Twins, Alpha One, Kohler 5kw
    Another question....

    After talking with SeaRay support, they say there's a connection block to the generator from the panel, to supply power to the blower.

    And that block is a source of failure and can be bypassed. Tech said it's behind the instrument panel, which I can't find. The wires from the electrical panel (both sides) go into a bundle and back toward the bilge. I've searched back there and can't find it.

    Does anyone know where this is?

    Thanks
     

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