Go Fund Me. The WALL

[Woody]

That's crazy... I can not get my head around how much money people give to go fund me?

Peter Strzok - $450k
Bret Kavanaugh - $488k
Christine Ford - $650k
Andrew McCabe - $500k
Stormy Daniels - $600k
Michael Cohen - $500k

What in the world is going on?....you would think legit charities could make better use of the money

Every one you listed is making a political statement claiming the the grassroots people are for or believing in something. I can wrap my head around that better than giving money to the schemers in NJ or the idiot "burnt out" kids that sunk their boat...

MM

MM, I know you're on a roll but you need to re-read that list, they're on the receiving end, that first name.... recognize it?

 

[MonacoMike]

MM, I know you're on a roll but you need to re-read that list, they're on the receiving end, that first name.... recognize it?

Absolutely know who Peter the Page eater is. May not have been clear in my post. People donating are making statements, not the recipients. Does that clear it up?

MM

 

[Boat Guy]

It's disappointing to see this divisiveness...

We have become so partisan it's sickening....Seriously, I'm disgusted....

There is no logical reason not to fund this one small part of border protection...none.

This has nothing to do with immigration or being humanitarian. These issue get injected to cloud and manipulate the easily manipulated.

It is simply a tool to help our national security and help our enforcement officers.

The fact is the Dems don't wan't to give in, even though previous Dem administrations supported it, because they are spiteful and don't want Trump to be able to claim the accomplishment.

Truth is, we have much bigger issues facing this country and our environment....Fight the administration on these issue and let them do their job protecting the nation.

It's absolutely pathetic that because of sanctuary laws, an illegal criminal was released and went on a rampage killing several people...All because the Dems / sanctuary laws didn't inform ICE of his release.

Childish, arrogant behavior.....

Give him the wall funds...and move on to big issues - Health Care; The Military; The National Debt; The environment....

 

[Henry Boyd]

Maybe grandma should have taken more responsibility for herself instead of expecting the taxpayers to take care of her. Social security is the worst program ever enacted by the government. And no I’m not suggesting kicking grandma out of the country.

You do realize the only way to get social security is to have worked and paid taxes not only income, but also into SS? And that your employer also must contribute an equal amount? But if you are self employed you pay double?

You want to do away with it? Great, give me back 30 or so years of the maximum double contribution plus interest.

 

[Maggieiscrazy]

You do realize the only way to get social security is to have worked and paid taxes not only income, but also into SS? And that your employer also must contribute an equal amount? But if you are self employed you pay double?

You want to do away with it? Great, give me back 30 or so years of the maximum double contribution plus interest.

1-No that’s not the only way to get social security. I know several people who are “disabled” that have never worked and get social security. One example. I have a cousin who is 49 years old he’s been a paraplegic since birth. After high school the taxpayers paid for him to go to school and he became a certified public accountant. To this day he has never worked a day in his life. He received a social security check from the day he was born and he’ll receive one until the day he dies. 2-It will be 25 years before I’m old enough to receive social security. Do you think there will be any money left for me? Highly unlikely. So I have saved and invested so I will be fine when it’s time to retire. I’m not going to blow my money and expect someone else to take care of me. Social security has become nothing but a tax.

 

[JVM225]

Social Security wasn’t a bad idea in theory, letting the politicians in DC get their hands on it for all those years was. After paying in to it all my life I started collecting mine 2 years ago.
The wall: I’m in favor of it because once someone extends a toe in to our country they are entitled to due process under our Constitution. Because so many take advantage of this there is a huge backlog and the vast majority of the people released in to the country to await their case being heard never return to court.
Drones, sensors, and other technologies don’t do anything to address this. You need a physical barrier of some sort.
But, I don’t think the wall makes any sense without serious and realistic immigration reform. This country needs immigrants as much as some immigrants need to come here. There should be allowances for legitimate asylum seekers, and a vetting process for others who want to come here.
The government needs to establish a definitive annual number of immigrants that should be allowed to come here and renegotiate that number every year.
Adult applicants should have a job waiting for them when they get here and they should be allowed to bring in their underaged children. They should be ineligible for any subsidies for 5 years or so unless they suffer some kind of injury or illness that leaves them unable to work after getting here.
There should be serious fines and jail time for anyone caught employing an illegal immigrant.

 

[Woody]

Maggie, take the time to read up on SS(Social Security, think retirement), SSDI(Social Security Disability Insurance), and SSI(Supplemental Security Income).

To qualify for the first two you must have worked and paid SS(OASDI) taxes into the SS Trusts.

SSI has no work requirement, it is not funded by the SS Trusts.

 

[MonacoMike]

Social Security was always a wealth transfer scheme from the young working to the retired. There never was a "lockbox", or trusts in reality, it was always a pay as you go because the powers that brought this along never imagined a time that incoming revenues would be inadequate to cover the payouts so they spent anything above the outgoing .

MM

 

[Woody]

Social Security was always a wealth transfer scheme from the young working to the retired. There never was a "lockbox", or trusts in reality, it was always a pay as you go because the powers that brought this along never imagined a time that incoming revenues would be inadequate to cover the payouts so they spent anything above the outgoing .

MM

Give us a lesson MM on how this stuff works.

 

[MonacoMike]

Give us a lesson MM on how this stuff works.

You are a pretty smart guy that has the handle on this stuff. But a lot of hard working people think there is an account with money in it...

MM

 

[Woody]

You are a pretty smart guy that has the handle on this stuff. But a lot of hard working people think there is an account with money in it...

MM

There is MM, in the same way the million bucks you deposited in the bank is there, or in the same way the 100 bucks you paid for a savings bond is there.

 

[boatman37]

A little off topic but my step-son is a local police officer and does not pay into SS and therefore can never collect it

 

[Woody]

Your step son must be in an exempt public pension plan.

My wife didn't pay into SS either for over 30 years. She retired and got a different job where she did pay into SS. In both cases separately she would have been able to draw a full benefit based on whatever her respective years of contributions would generate. Because she did both, when she retired again SS penalizes her and her SS benefit is reduced near 60%.
Before she received her first SS check she went back to work....she likes to work or maybe she doesn't like to be around me, I dunno.

 

[Golfman25]

There is MM, in the same way the million bucks you deposited in the bank is there, or in the same way the 100 bucks you paid for a savings bond is there.

Not really. Social security is pay as you go. Years ago they started collecting revenue for the baby boom generation. Problem is they "loaned" that money to the general fund. When the boomers retire and social security starts running a deficit that deficit will need to be funded by the general funds. That's when the stuff will hit the fan.

 

[boatman37]

Your step son must be in an exempt public pension plan.

My wife didn't pay into SS either for over 30 years. She retired and got a different job where she did pay into SS. In both cases separately she would have been able to draw a full benefit based on whatever her respective years of contributions would generate. Because she did both, when she retired again SS penalizes her and her SS benefit is reduced near 60%.
Before she received her first SS check she went back to work....she likes to work or maybe she doesn't like to be around me, I dunno.

Could be. All I know is he said he doesn't pay in and cannot collect it.

 

[MonacoMike]

There is MM, in the same way the million bucks you deposited in the bank is there, or in the same way the 100 bucks you paid for a savings bond is there.

We agree, you are pointing out the theoretical way it was sold to the public, and yes in creative accounting way the US general fund owes the SS fund and gave SS fund IOU's.

I'm stating it the way it actually turned out.

I have heard it called a scheme Bernie Madoff was jealous of.

MM

 

[Woody]

We agree, you are pointing out the theoretical way it was sold to the public, and yes in creative accounting way the US general fund owes the SS fund and gave SS fund IOU's.

I'm stating it the way it actually turned out.

I have heard it called a scheme Bernie Madoff was jealous of.

MM

What's theoretical? What you call IOU's are US Treasury issued securities. For years some of those have even been available to the public. Here's a quick grab that might illustrate that for Dec 1991.

 

[Henry Boyd]

1-No that’s not the only way to get social security. I know several people who are “disabled” that have never worked and get social security. One example. I have a cousin who is 49 years old he’s been a paraplegic since birth. After high school the taxpayers paid for him to go to school and he became a certified public accountant. To this day he has never worked a day in his life. He received a social security check from the day he was born and he’ll receive one until the day he dies. 2-It will be 25 years before I’m old enough to receive social security. Do you think there will be any money left for me? Highly unlikely. So I have saved and invested so I will be fine when it’s time to retire. I’m not going to blow my money and expect someone else to take care of me. Social security has become nothing but a tax.

By your statement I conclude your statement is pure unadulterated BS. Your “cousin”, supposedly became a CPA all without working. Interesting you apparently don’t know that to become a CPA, one must first have a degree in accounting, and then work for a company for several years in public accounting under the tutelage of a CPA. That is several years of 60 hour workweeks. So you are full of horse poop.

Say you located in Minsk or St Petersburg comrade? It seems you are awfully ignorant on the workings of Social Security

 

[MonacoMike]

What's theoretical? What you call IOU's are US Treasury issued securities. For years some of those have even been available to the public. Here's a quick grab that might illustrate that for Dec 1991.
View attachment 63285

Is that a Madoff Investments statement? LOL

Let's see where we are in 10 years or so. This is how I see it.

A couple create a college account for their kids, the deposit generously and even brag to their friends about how much they save for the kids college. The couple then borrow from the college fund to pay for vacations and other lavish living, replacing with official loan documents. Documents appear to show they have diligently prepared for the kids college and all that needs be done is collect the debts. When they have to pay for college, where does the money come from?

We can either raise the SS tax or other taxes to pay for it or just renege on the promises. I do not know when, but the day of reckoning is coming.

MM

 

[MonacoMike]

Back on topic.

The wall GFM is nearing $16 million, the “dopey people... dipping into their meth money.”, as Kimmel says are really out showing the paltry $127k raised by the competing ladders GFM