I concur with Creekwood. As a Republican, I agree with some but not all of President Trump's policies but have never cared for his personal style. I believe the current crisis demands a different approach and a great leader would have adjusted his approach to suit the unprecedented nature of what the country is facing. This video contrasts President Trump's handling of the virus with that of other world figures and sums it up pretty well, at least for me:
I'm hopeful that our President will somehow get it together and start pulling the country in the same direction, end the divisiveness and articulate a clear strategy.
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He isn’t going to bring the country together until these far right Dems and all media stops the rhetoric... Trump is on the defensive since day one... we didn’t hire him for his personality or to bring the country together after Obama.... everyone seems to forget republicans hated him for good reason but we didn’t go around cutting him down at every turn.... nothing like what is going on with Trump
FYI, blue, underlined text on a webpage indicates a link to a reference, in this case the full report. But, here it is so you can take a look: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2004.13553.pdf
I think the media and whichever wing, right or left, was not in power has been savagely castigating the sitting President since at least as far back as the Clinton administration with ever-increasing rancor. History says it has at times been worse before we were born. It got really bad in the G.W. Bush era and even worse in the Obama years. I didn't like it in either instance. Since President Trump was a major instigator against Obama, I believe he brings it on himself much more than the others did. But, I think an important element of Presidential leadership is the willingness and ability to rise above domestic political foolishness, particularly in times of great crisis. Certainly Reagan, FDR and Lincoln were able to do that.
That video shows it. A bunch of career politician feel good double speak vs a business man pushing the boundaries. Trump has expedited the bureaucracy and got them to move quicker than they ever have. That’s true leadership.
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You’re doing ok, only off by 1 day.I have told people today was Thursday 4 times....your the 5th
I’m usually off by 2-3 days!
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From Reuters this AM:
Exclusive: A quarter of Americans are hesitant about a coronavirus vaccine - Reuters/Ipsos poll
Joseph Ax, Julie Steenhuysen
(Reuters) - A quarter of Americans have little or no interest in taking a coronavirus vaccine, a Reuters/Ipsos poll published on Thursday found, with some voicing concern that the record pace at which vaccine candidates are being developed could compromise safety.
While health experts say a vaccine to prevent infection is needed to return life to normal, the survey points to a potential trust issue for the Trump administration already under fire for its often contradictory safety guidance during the pandemic.
Some 36% of respondents said they would be less willing to take a vaccine if U.S. President Donald Trump said it was safe, compared with only 14% who would be more interested.
Most respondents in the survey of 4,428 U.S. adults taken between May 13 and May 19 said they would be heavily influenced by guidance from the Food and Drug Administration or results of large-scale scientific studies showing that the vaccine was safe.
Less than two-thirds of respondents said they were “very” or “somewhat” interested in a vaccine, a figure some health experts expected would be higher given the heightened awareness of COVID-19 and the more than 92,000 coronavirus-related deaths in the United States alone.
“It’s a little lower than I thought it would be with all the attention to COVID-19,” said Dr. William Schaffner, an infectious disease and vaccine expert at Vanderbilt University Medical Center in Nashville. “I would have expected somewhere around 75 percent.”
Fourteen percent of respondents said they were not at all interested in taking a vaccine, and 10% said they were not very interested. Another 11% were unsure.
Studies are underway, but experts estimate that at least 70% of Americans would need to be immune through a vaccine or prior infection to achieve what is known as “herd immunity,” when enough people are resistant to an infectious disease to prevent its spread.
Trump has vowed to have a vaccine ready by year’s end, although they typically take 10 years or longer to develop and test for safety and effectiveness. Many experts believe a fully tested, government-approved vaccine will not be widely available until mid-2021 at the earliest.
There are more than 100 COVID-19 vaccine candidates in development globally, including some already in human clinical trials. Earlier this week, U.S. biotech Moderna Inc (MRNA.O) announced potentially promising preliminary results from just eight individuals who took part in a safety study.
Among those respondents who expressed little or no interest in a coronavirus vaccine, nearly half said they were worried about the speed with which they are being developed. More than 40% said they believe the vaccine is riskier than the disease itself.
MISINFORMATION HURDLE
Overall, 84% of respondents said vaccines for diseases such as measles are safe for both adults and children, suggesting that people hesitant to take a coronavirus vaccine might reconsider, depending on safety assurances they receive.
For example, among those who said they were “not very” interested in taking the vaccine, 29% said they would be more interested if the FDA approved it.
Some experts have said the White House’s emphasis on speed – its vaccine effort is called “Operation Warp Speed” – could leave people worried that safety was being sacrificed for swiftness.
In addition, misinformation about vaccines has grown more prevalent on social media during the pandemic, according to academic researchers.
“It’s not surprising a significant percentage of Americans are not going to take the vaccine because of the terrible messaging we’ve had, the absence of a communication plan around the vaccine and this very aggressive anti-vaccine movement,” said Peter Hotez, dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine at Baylor College of Medicine, where he is developing a vaccine.
The poll underscores how the country’s deepening polarization has affected people’s view of the pandemic.
Nearly one in five Republicans say they have no interest in a vaccine, more than twice the proportion of Democrats who said the same.
Trump, a Republican, has offered mixed messages during the outbreak. He has at times downplayed the seriousness of the pandemic and encouraged public protests against his government’s own stay-at-home guidelines intended to slow the pathogen’s spread.
He has also urged Americans to try unproven treatments for COVID-19, such as the malaria drug hydroxychloroquine, which he said on Monday he has taken for weeks despite warnings about its use from the FDA and other health experts.
The poll responses varied among certain demographic groups. Only half of black Americans, who represent a disproportionate percentage of coronavirus deaths, said they were somewhat or very interested in a vaccine, perhaps reflecting memories of an infamous U.S. government study that left black men deliberately untreated for syphilis.
College-educated white women - a politically important demographic that has moved sharply away from the Republican Party during the Trump era - were particularly concerned about how quickly the vaccine is being developed. More than 40% said Trump’s reassurance would make them less willing to take it.
The Reuters/Ipsos poll was conducted online, in English, throughout the United States and had a credibility interval, a measure of precision, of plus or minus 2 percentage points.
Reporting by Joseph Ax in West Stockbridge, Massachusetts, and Julie Steenhuysen in Chicago; additional reporting by Grant Smith in Jersey City, N.J., editing by Ross Colvin and Bill Berkrot
Our Standards:The Thomson Reuters Trust Principles.
Exclusive: A quarter of Americans are hesitant about a coronavirus vaccine - Reuters/Ipsos poll
Joseph Ax, Julie Steenhuysen
(Reuters) - A quarter of Americans have little or no interest in taking a coronavirus vaccine, a Reuters/Ipsos poll published on Thursday found, with some voicing concern that the record pace at which vaccine candidates are being developed could compromise safety.
While health experts say a vaccine to prevent infection is needed to return life to normal, the survey points to a potential trust issue for the Trump administration already under fire for its often contradictory safety guidance during the pandemic.
Some 36% of respondents said they would be less willing to take a vaccine if U.S. President Donald Trump said it was safe, compared with only 14% who would be more interested.
Most respondents in the survey of 4,428 U.S. adults taken between May 13 and May 19 said they would be heavily influenced by guidance from the Food and Drug Administration or results of large-scale scientific studies showing that the vaccine was safe.
Less than two-thirds of respondents said they were “very” or “somewhat” interested in a vaccine, a figure some health experts expected would be higher given the heightened awareness of COVID-19 and the more than 92,000 coronavirus-related deaths in the United States alone.
“It’s a little lower than I thought it would be with all the attention to COVID-19,” said Dr. William Schaffner, an infectious disease and vaccine expert at Vanderbilt University Medical Center in Nashville. “I would have expected somewhere around 75 percent.”
Fourteen percent of respondents said they were not at all interested in taking a vaccine, and 10% said they were not very interested. Another 11% were unsure.
Studies are underway, but experts estimate that at least 70% of Americans would need to be immune through a vaccine or prior infection to achieve what is known as “herd immunity,” when enough people are resistant to an infectious disease to prevent its spread.
Trump has vowed to have a vaccine ready by year’s end, although they typically take 10 years or longer to develop and test for safety and effectiveness. Many experts believe a fully tested, government-approved vaccine will not be widely available until mid-2021 at the earliest.
There are more than 100 COVID-19 vaccine candidates in development globally, including some already in human clinical trials. Earlier this week, U.S. biotech Moderna Inc (MRNA.O) announced potentially promising preliminary results from just eight individuals who took part in a safety study.
Among those respondents who expressed little or no interest in a coronavirus vaccine, nearly half said they were worried about the speed with which they are being developed. More than 40% said they believe the vaccine is riskier than the disease itself.
MISINFORMATION HURDLE
Overall, 84% of respondents said vaccines for diseases such as measles are safe for both adults and children, suggesting that people hesitant to take a coronavirus vaccine might reconsider, depending on safety assurances they receive.
For example, among those who said they were “not very” interested in taking the vaccine, 29% said they would be more interested if the FDA approved it.
Some experts have said the White House’s emphasis on speed – its vaccine effort is called “Operation Warp Speed” – could leave people worried that safety was being sacrificed for swiftness.
In addition, misinformation about vaccines has grown more prevalent on social media during the pandemic, according to academic researchers.
“It’s not surprising a significant percentage of Americans are not going to take the vaccine because of the terrible messaging we’ve had, the absence of a communication plan around the vaccine and this very aggressive anti-vaccine movement,” said Peter Hotez, dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine at Baylor College of Medicine, where he is developing a vaccine.
The poll underscores how the country’s deepening polarization has affected people’s view of the pandemic.
Nearly one in five Republicans say they have no interest in a vaccine, more than twice the proportion of Democrats who said the same.
Trump, a Republican, has offered mixed messages during the outbreak. He has at times downplayed the seriousness of the pandemic and encouraged public protests against his government’s own stay-at-home guidelines intended to slow the pathogen’s spread.
He has also urged Americans to try unproven treatments for COVID-19, such as the malaria drug hydroxychloroquine, which he said on Monday he has taken for weeks despite warnings about its use from the FDA and other health experts.
The poll responses varied among certain demographic groups. Only half of black Americans, who represent a disproportionate percentage of coronavirus deaths, said they were somewhat or very interested in a vaccine, perhaps reflecting memories of an infamous U.S. government study that left black men deliberately untreated for syphilis.
College-educated white women - a politically important demographic that has moved sharply away from the Republican Party during the Trump era - were particularly concerned about how quickly the vaccine is being developed. More than 40% said Trump’s reassurance would make them less willing to take it.
The Reuters/Ipsos poll was conducted online, in English, throughout the United States and had a credibility interval, a measure of precision, of plus or minus 2 percentage points.
Reporting by Joseph Ax in West Stockbridge, Massachusetts, and Julie Steenhuysen in Chicago; additional reporting by Grant Smith in Jersey City, N.J., editing by Ross Colvin and Bill Berkrot
Our Standards:The Thomson Reuters Trust Principles.
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I disagree completely. He says it has been great leadership, but the proof of how effective he has been will be measurable initially by how quickly COVID is beaten in the US compared to other countries, and secondly, at the polls in the fall. The biggest risk that you Republicans have is that Trump's leadership during the biggest issue in decades causes the democrats to win in November. As I have said before, if I was in the US, I would vote Republican. But damn, I would push to find a better Republican candidate that is a true leader, not an egocentric dictator.
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This is a crap article. I'll give just one example of the crap, there are others......Only half of black Americans, who represent a disproportionate percentage of coronavirus deaths, said they were somewhat or very interested in a vaccine, perhaps reflecting memories of an infamous U.S. government study that left black men deliberately untreated for syphilis.
Please explain how he is a dictator. He basically deferred to the states and the press is hammering him for it. Some states have done good, like Fla. Some not so good, see NY. He hasn't come out with any "dictates." Stop watching CNN.
Yeah, I'll wait. I don't want to be the guinea pig. I'll socially distance and where my mask -- which is par for the course for me anyway.
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He sure tried to dictate to the states!
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It will be interesting. I have never gotten a flu shot. I am healthy and not worried and I figure that it was not necessary. But my mother is 80 years old and pretty healthy, but has mild COPD, so higher risk. I will get a COVID shot when it is available. I probably would even if she was not a factor.
I suspect the anti-vaxers will pass as well. At least the non-hypocrite ones. And anti-vaxers that want it, should probably be at the end of the line.
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An obviously biased article making lengthy and unprovable claims to explain what could be explained by simply this:
I am a typical middle aged, lower socioeconomic status, southern American. The death rate from this virus is small. I am not scared. I am cautious and taking common sense steps to protect myself and my family. I refuse to live in cowering, hiding fear. Ain’t happenin. I ain’t takin no injection of some rushed juice concoction made up by some group of people who still don’t know everything needed about this virus. I will take my chances on my God given immune system. My faith in Him is certainly more than my faith in them!
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My vote is for you to be the first one to get the newly minted COVID vax. Then you can tell us how that works out for you.
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Obama had very nice style. The substance...not so much. Amazing how people prefer form over function.
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I’m in W. FL now. The social dynamic and Covid influence is a 180 from MN. God bless you folks down here. I’m happy to see most people in FL having the ability to get on with their livelihoods.
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How dare she?....
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She just blew her chance at the VP slot.
