Omg. She’s dumb as a rock. So these bars sell their liquor to the state. Presumably use the money to stay afloat. Then when they can finally open up they have to rebuy their inventory back. Here’s a question for the genius governor — with what fkg money do I buy my inventory back?
It’s time to REOPEN the economy
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It’s officially a shit show...
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You think people though of that during WWII. Your worried about money seriously. Look at the crash of 2008 and how many years to recover. I can remember being at a mall the Christmas 2010 and the majority of the stores closed. In 2012 the housing market was just recovering. It's only been a few months for Petes sake the economy will be fine and will recover but opening before the health experts believe it's safe to open is reckless.
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The health experts are no different then you and I...do you think they have special insight or something?
My business is essential and has been running since day one. We all social distance...we disinfect everything all day...all employees self quarantine at home when not at work.... and we are all fine... why can’t that be other businesses ?....it would be a mistake to listen to the so called experts..and wait for them to decide when it’s safe... it will never be safe in their eyes until it’s too late
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The White House Covid-19 medical staff has just a tad more data and knowledge than you and I do.
Define safe.
Yet my business is operating safely..... you tell me who is smarter?.... don’t get sucked up in this bullshit... business's can operate.... not all but more than none
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Essential services are open as are many businesses. The country will be fine and the recovery will be faster than the crash of 2008. Do you really think the President is pushing bullshit at you or is it the medical advice from the White House task force that you think is bullshit and the President has been suckered.
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The MSM puts out the bullshit, to the point people don't know what's going on. The POTUS has been wanting to get back to work the whole time when it's manageable from a health standpoint. He's got some of the best on the 'team' with Anthony Fauci and Dr. Deborah Brix. Both of them explain over and over that with 'surveillance testing' some areas of the country could be opened up while others can't. They talk of monitoring health not just at nation or state levels but down to county and city. Repetitively they explain to the 'journalist' that no one is talking of flipping one switch and turning on the whole country at once. They in fact acknowledge that can't be done, but carefully selected, carefully defined individual areas could, some areas might be large and others not.
Is it so hard to imagine the kids going back to school...if testing keeps an eye on the teachers, admin, other workers. Couldn't they do that combined with some degree of social distancing when they're not in school...don't go visit Gram and Gramps, you might make them sick.
There's near 17 million people became unemployed in the last 3-4 weeks. Couldn't it be possible some of them could go to work and maybe some be in lock down the off hours...and maybe others not.
The media douche nozzles hound and harasses Trump and his people..can you commit, will you promise, can you guarantee. They push for exact dates, exact counts, gotchya questions over and over as if they don't understand how dynamic this situation is. They don't ask a question to get an answer, they ask so they can then argue and try to debate the answer....'journalists'? We know their motive and it ain't pure.
Those experts, Fauci and Brix, describe what's being done to set up the testing infrastructure that will help make this happen. I've watched them many times, it's clear to me, but you wouldn't know it by the news...you have to hear it for yourself. I watch this shit until I'm blue in the face just like during the impeachment saga. Watch here, watch there, read here and there, and compare. I've had my fill of negativity to the point I'm even spending less time here at CSR. The MSM is doing as much harm to the country as the virus is. I'm to the point I'd like to get a bunch of those assclown 'journalist' in a room and lock the door....'now youse can't leave'...if ya' know what I mean.
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If I can social distance and wear a mask at Home Depot, the supermarket, gas station, etc., why aren’t there more businesses that I can take the same precautions?
Granted, restaurants and bars present additional challenges, but along with coming up with some creative solutions for those businesses, why can’t they take a closer look at other businesses and let them open under specific guidelines.
Also, I can see a slower opening in metropolitan areas where the workforce largely relies on crowded mass transit, but why can’t people in less densely populated areas get in their cars, drive to a parking lot, get out and go in to a workplace that is compliant with CDC guidelines and recommendations?
Couldn’t each state establish a hotline that employees can call if an employer fails to comply?
Granted, restaurants and bars present additional challenges, but along with coming up with some creative solutions for those businesses, why can’t they take a closer look at other businesses and let them open under specific guidelines.
Also, I can see a slower opening in metropolitan areas where the workforce largely relies on crowded mass transit, but why can’t people in less densely populated areas get in their cars, drive to a parking lot, get out and go in to a workplace that is compliant with CDC guidelines and recommendations?
Couldn’t each state establish a hotline that employees can call if an employer fails to comply?
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The Dems don’t want to reopen the economy. They want the average Joe depending on them. This includes illegal immigrants.
If we don’t reopen very soon we risk losing the Republic and advancing the Socialist agenda.
If we don’t reopen very soon we risk losing the Republic and advancing the Socialist agenda.
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If we don’t get opened up it will crush county and city governments ability to operate.
No revenue , they cannot last. It is also going to impact crucial services water, trash, etc.
Seems if the essential businesses (deemed by our governors) can operate common sense says others can also.
In my opinion we can make this situation last for a long time or be rational and get our country back up and
running including schools.
Yes I have grand kids and absolutely love m more than life.
No revenue , they cannot last. It is also going to impact crucial services water, trash, etc.
Seems if the essential businesses (deemed by our governors) can operate common sense says others can also.
In my opinion we can make this situation last for a long time or be rational and get our country back up and
running including schools.
Yes I have grand kids and absolutely love m more than life.
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I would like to see us take a poll on CSR
to see where we stand as a group. Is it possible one of you techies could set it up.
Open up under safe practices
Or
Remain shut down.
to see where we stand as a group. Is it possible one of you techies could set it up.
Open up under safe practices
Or
Remain shut down.
JVM225
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Local governments are another story.
We have had regular Town garbage and recycling pick up since this started and the public works guys in the Incorporated Village I live in have been out and about working.
Why can’t the local County, Town and Village offices all be open and operating in compliance with CDC guidelines?
Same thing with the local Library.
The utility companies are still working on power, water and natural gas projects. One of our Village parking lots has been going through a re-construction project that started about a month ago, but home improvement and construction guys are only allowed to finish stuff they started before the CDC guidelines first went in to effect.
Why can’t private tradesmen, home improvement and construction guys work new jobs if they comply with CDC guidelines?
I think political leaders had a justified knee jerk reaction when this thing hit, but now that they have guidelines and reliable data they need to get busy backing down on some of the overkill.
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Stop blaming the Democrats on all the problems we have. Your starting to sound pretty stupid
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During WW2 businesses weren't shut down arbitrarily. And the businesses that were affected retooled to build war supplies. Jobs were available for anyone who wanted to work. There was food and fuel rationing, but our country also had a huge small farm industry.
This pandemic is not WW2, so not a good comparison.
Well, duh, yes I worry about money, so do many. In case you missed it, people have mortgages, car payments and families to support. Now that many have been forced into unemployment their futures aren't so bright. Perhaps you are in a situation where your income is secure, but for many this is not the situation.
Many small businesses are in the process of, or have been destroyed. The owners have spent years building it up only to see it vanish overnight.
The crash of 2008 didn't put millions unemployed virtually overnight. It also didn't put vibrant businesses shuttered, not due to financial but due to being deemed "non essential". And after the crash when businesses did fold several new businesses sprang up. Money was still flowing in the economy because people could still buy goods and services.
Yes, we went through a phase where malls left and right were losing businesses, however this was not created by the economy but by the schemes in which all these malls sprang up (another subject). And those displaced from the mall jobs could find other work.
Right now the economy is on edge. How much more borrowed money is the government suppose to put out to try to keep everything afloat? Do you even think about the supply chain?
Right now farmers are having problems getting products to market. Milk is being destroyed at the farms, and several meat packing plants have closed. Eventually the trickle down is the supply chain to the grocer warehouses will dwindle, and then we start seeing real shortages.
Now look at the financial markets. Once a domino effect starts with home mortgages and commercial mortgage meltdown, look at other markets to be hit hard.
My parents grew up in the depression. While times were hard, they lived on farms and were self sufficient. Today most of those type farms are gone, and with the newer generations never had to live through something like that, just think of the chaos this will create. Many today have no idea of where food comes from, all they know is the grocery store or restaurants. Think of what happens when the food supply diminishes even 20%, and people don't have the money to buy what is in the stores.
If this country is allowed to slip into a depression, it will make 1929 look like a high school prank. I realize many who ares still financially secure sit back and say "no big deal, just keep it all closed", but that frankly is looking through rose colored glasses.
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I venture to say even more.
Not only that, many businesses where actually started during WW2. My business was started by my grandfather during WW2 building parts for tanks.
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I just recieved a letter from a leese today wanting to know if I could help out
on Mays rent. They are requesting forgoing payment or what reduction in rent would be acceptable.
They believe they will encounter the current conditions for weeks, if not months. This company operates 142 conscience stores and 17 restaurants in 4 states.
Their obligation to my LLC ~$9500 per month. What would you do?
on Mays rent. They are requesting forgoing payment or what reduction in rent would be acceptable.
They believe they will encounter the current conditions for weeks, if not months. This company operates 142 conscience stores and 17 restaurants in 4 states.
Their obligation to my LLC ~$9500 per month. What would you do?
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Hopefully the brewing constitutional crisis can be averted. There is a rising conflict between the federal government (Executive Branch) and state governments (Executive Branch).
I believe much of the restrictions imposed by individual governors are arguably unconstitutional.
For example; The Supremacy Clause is the common moniker of Article VI, Clause 2 of the United States Constitution. The clause establishes the Constitution and federal laws as the “supreme Law of the Land,” above state laws.
Therefore, when the state laws conflict with one's constitutional freedoms, the federal laws apply namely the Bill of Rights. For example Amendment 1. The state of Florida violated the 1st Amendment by restricting freedom of religion by "restricting the free exercise..." and "or the right of the people peaceably to assemble"
When POTUS "opens" the country back there will be governors who will again in an attempt to confiscate power and to usher in their political policies will reject federal law and keep their states closed, arrest violators, impose fines, restrict civil liberties.
I believe there will be a debate in this country (mainly because Trump is POTUS) about the role and authority of the federal government vs the power of the states. This will flip flop the traditional political views of each party as ironic as that is.
My concern quickly shifted from this virus and the "curve" to a potential constitutional legal argument that would ultimately wind up in the supreme court, pertaining to the Supremacy Clause.
Who has the ultimate power, and by what means would they enforce, should a governor ignore the 'law of the land' when POTUS reopens the country.
What happens when a governor insists on keeping their state closed in spite of the rest of the country opening?
I believe much of the restrictions imposed by individual governors are arguably unconstitutional.
For example; The Supremacy Clause is the common moniker of Article VI, Clause 2 of the United States Constitution. The clause establishes the Constitution and federal laws as the “supreme Law of the Land,” above state laws.
Therefore, when the state laws conflict with one's constitutional freedoms, the federal laws apply namely the Bill of Rights. For example Amendment 1. The state of Florida violated the 1st Amendment by restricting freedom of religion by "restricting the free exercise..." and "or the right of the people peaceably to assemble"
When POTUS "opens" the country back there will be governors who will again in an attempt to confiscate power and to usher in their political policies will reject federal law and keep their states closed, arrest violators, impose fines, restrict civil liberties.
I believe there will be a debate in this country (mainly because Trump is POTUS) about the role and authority of the federal government vs the power of the states. This will flip flop the traditional political views of each party as ironic as that is.
My concern quickly shifted from this virus and the "curve" to a potential constitutional legal argument that would ultimately wind up in the supreme court, pertaining to the Supremacy Clause.
Who has the ultimate power, and by what means would they enforce, should a governor ignore the 'law of the land' when POTUS reopens the country.
What happens when a governor insists on keeping their state closed in spite of the rest of the country opening?
