What’s an assault weapon?

There was a guy about 6 or 7 years ago that went into a movie theater that we go to quite a bit. On weekends they have a local police officer standing inside. When The Purge was playing a man came in wearing a long trench coat mid summer and carrying a duffel bag. As soon as he saw the police officer he ducked into the bathroom. Police officer went in and in the duffel bag was a stolen handgun and several boxes of ammo. He admitted he had planned to shoot it up that night. No assault weapons. Guess he wouldn't have done much damage cause he didn't have high capacity magazines? Point is, if you are decent at handling a handgun high capacity magazines aren't necessary. I have (3) 15 round mags and (3) 10 round magazines for my Glock. I also have (2) 8 round magazines for my S&P Shield. That's 93 rounds counting 1 in each chamber. High capacity magazines aren't the problem. I do see what you are saying about more bullets, more damage but that can be worked around. The problem is people having guns that shouldn't have them. But with all the privacy and HIPAA nobody is allowed access to this information. So the left doesn't want these people getting theses guns (and nobody wants them having these guns) but the left also wants to keep all this information private

https://www.wtae.com/article/purge-moviegoer-arrested-with-gun-ammo-at-theater/7481253#
 
MonacoMike said:
I do not believe so. In Indiana .243 is the minimum. Just pointing out it is not some mammoth gun like so many believe. .223 is just slightly bigger than the .22 rifle though longer.
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NY allows it. The law states “it is unlawful to hunt big game with a firearm using rim fire ammunition”
I have never seen anyone afield with a military style semi auto rifle, but they do it.
 
boatman37 said:
So the left doesn't want these people getting theses guns (and nobody wants them having these guns) but the left also wants to keep all this information private
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I don't think that's a "left thing". HIPPA is there for a good reason. You have a right to privacy. Like I mentioned before, where is the line and who gets to draw it?
 
MonacoMike said:
I do not believe so. In Indiana .243 is the minimum. Just pointing out it is not some mammoth gun like so many believe. .223 is just slightly bigger than the .22 rifle though longer.
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Just to clarify, I'm not for banning 'assault rifles'. I'm suggesting that any argument/defense based on 'they're not very lethal' or 'not as lethal as' is a mistake. The people being killed by them in the common caliber .223 is proof of that.
 
It’s my understanding that the caliber associated with the most deaths is .22 This is what our instructor told us a few years ago. Never verified it tho.
 
If we broke assailants into two classes; one being a willful criminal and two a mentally deranged person. Someone here said there is no difference; I would disagree.
The willful criminal is easy - track them and monitor them. Of course there will be escapes nothing can be 100%
For the minor that has mental issues and behavioral questionability the legal guardian must be held responsible and culpable. I think the legal guardian must share the ramifications of the law if they do not raise awareness of a potential issue to the appropriate authorities. This would greatly reduce situations by minors.
For adults with mental issues and questionable behavior the doctors, hospitals, and welfare centers need to share culpability if they do not elevate to the appropriate authorities. This is not a HIPPA violation. The challenge here is to establish guidelines for reportability.
It seems to me that everyone gets a pass except for the person committing the crime; this needs to change and will greatly curtail these horrible acts.
 
ttmott said:
If we broke assailants into two classes; one being a willful criminal and two a mentally deranged person. Someone here said there is no difference; I would disagree.
The willful criminal is easy - track them and monitor them. Of course there will be escapes nothing can be 100%
For the minor that has mental issues and behavioral questionability the legal guardian must be held responsible and culpable. I think the legal guardian must share the ramifications of the law if they do not raise awareness of a potential issue to the appropriate authorities. This would greatly reduce situations by minors.
For adults with mental issues and questionable behavior the doctors, hospitals, and welfare centers need to share culpability if they do not elevate to the appropriate authorities. This is not a HIPPA violation. The challenge here is to establish guidelines for reportability.
It seems to me that everyone gets a pass except for the person committing the crime; this needs to change and will greatly curtail these horrible acts.
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On the surface your comments seem very rational. I think they are a gross over simplification for lessening the problem. I know I'm sounding like a broken record, but again, who is going to be put in charge of deciding how to compel people to report on others?
For what it's worth, I think parents of a lot of these turds that have committed the murders need to be held liable if it's been found they could have prevented something from happening. How do you charge someone with being a POS parent though? Columbine, Sandy Hook. Obviously Adam Lanza's mother was already "tried and convicted"...
 
HawkX66 said:
On the surface your comments seem very rational. I think they are a gross over simplification for lessening the problem. I know I'm sounding like a broken record, but again, who is going to be put in charge of deciding how to compel people to report on others?
For what it's worth, I think parents of a lot of these turds that have committed the murders need to be held liable if it's been found they could have prevented something from happening. How do you charge someone with being a POS parent though? Columbine, Sandy Hook. Obviously Adam Lanza's mother was already "tried and convicted"...
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I am working the long term deterrent not reaction to an event. Creating an effective deterrent takes a lot of time and unfortunately continued situations until the effects of the deterrent are popular. But, regardless we must start with something rational; elimination of legally possessed firearms isn't the path. I would rather loose a bit of privacy ensuring my doctor reports per a process if I show signs that can be, call it, critical than having someone determine what I am allowed to personally own.
 
ttmott said:
I am working the long term deterrent not reaction to an event. Creating an effective deterrent takes a lot of time and unfortunately continued situations until the effects of the deterrent are popular. But, regardless we must start with something rational; elimination of legally possessed firearms isn't the path. I would rather loose a bit of privacy ensuring my doctor reports per a process if I show signs that can be, call it, critical than having someone determine what I am allowed to personally own.
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Long term versus knee jerk is wise thinking. I agree that something has to be done, but giving up any of my freedoms isn't something I'm willing to do. I don't have a good answer unfortunately. I believe that any new laws compelling people, doctor's included, to report will be just another law stripping us of more privacy and won't actually help. If I'm not mistaken, there are already laws compelling doctor's to report.
 
HawkX66 said:
Long term versus knee jerk is wise thinking. I agree that something has to be done, but giving up any of my freedoms isn't something I'm willing to do. I don't have a good answer unfortunately. I believe that any new laws compelling people, doctor's included, to report will be just another law stripping us of more privacy and won't actually help. If I'm not mistaken, there are already laws compelling doctor's to report.
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Oh I understand and completely agree however as a law enforcement officer can you illustrate how we as a society now determine who is most likely acting under the influence and be detained / questioned / reported? Was not that an evolution of process that could be infringement of rights and now widely accepted for the greater good?
 
OllieC said:
It’s my understanding that the caliber associated with the most deaths is .22 This is what our instructor told us a few years ago. Never verified it tho.
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Ya, I don't know either, be interesting to find out. Back in the 'Saturday Night Special' days .22 was popular but that's a long time ago. Speaking of 'Saturday Night Specials'...a few years ago my Aunt moved to assisted living. As we were moving her, getting the house ready for sale, and getting rid of excess stuff, she told me there was a handgun in a trunk or box somewhere. She said I could have it if I found it.

Oh man, I was dreaming of a nice S&W, maybe a Colt...maybe even a Colt Python. Well I eventually found it, the bubble was burst, it was a German made 'Saturday Night Special' in .22 short.:(
 
ttmott said:
Oh I understand and completely agree however as a law enforcement officer can you illustrate how we as a society now determine who is most likely acting under the influence and be detained / questioned / reported? Was not that an evolution of process that could be infringement of rights and now widely accepted for the greater good?
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The law is completely jacked up at all levels so I don't tend to comment too much on that. All I can say is that IMO there is nothing wrong with profiling. Rights are only for criminals now it seems like. We're in an upside down world in so many ways. The greater good is complete adherence to the US Constitution. Period. There are so many laws on the books now that a person can try as hard as they want to be a good, law abiding citizen, but still easily become a criminal by no true fault of their own.
 
HawkX66 said:
The law is completely jacked up at all levels so I don't tend to comment too much on that. All I can say is that IMO there is nothing wrong with profiling. Rights are only for criminals now it seems like. We're in an upside down world in so many ways. The greater good is complete adherence to the US Constitution. Period. There are so many laws on the books now that a person can try as hard as they want to be a good, law abiding citizen, but still easily become a criminal by no true fault of their own.
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completely agree!
 
MonacoMike said:
Until you are forced to disclose your medical vaccination status....
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"Papers please". Repeat after me. I WILL NOT COMPLY. You might have misinterpreted my response. You HAVE a right to privacy, buy it is being infringed upon. The left is trying to take your rights and force you to do things like carry papers and proof of all kinds of things. Then on the other hand the scumbags fight against showing ID to vote.
 
Woody said:
Ya, I don't know either, be interesting to find out. Back in the 'Saturday Night Special' days .22 was popular but that's a long time ago. Speaking of 'Saturday Night Specials'...a few years ago my Aunt moved to assisted living. As we were moving her, getting the house ready for sale, and getting rid of excess stuff, she told me there was a handgun in a trunk or box somewhere. She said I could have it if I found it.

Oh man, I was dreaming of a nice S&W, maybe a Colt...maybe even a Colt Python. Well I eventually found it, the bubble was burst, it was a German made 'Saturday Night Special' in .22 short.:(
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Too funny. Same story for me with my Grandmother In-law, but with one big difference. When she passed and we were cleaning her house my MIL gave me a true Saturday Night Special. It's a 1950 S&W J-frame model 36 .38 that used to belong to her husband who was a Sherriff in TN back in the 50s. Bluing is still perfect. One of my favorites.
 
HawkX66 said:
Too funny. Same story for me with my Grandmother In-law, but with one big difference. When she passed and we were cleaning her house my MIL gave me a true Saturday Night Special. It's a 1950 S&W J-frame model 36 .38 that used to belong to her husband who was a Sherriff in TN back in the 50s. Bluing is still perfect. One of my favorites.
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I've got a model 36. They really don't belong in the Saturday Night Special' group. Saturday Night Specials were literally called 'junk guns' because of their poor material and build quality...this of course meant they could be sold cheaply in comparison. Believe it or not, back in the day some folks were calling racism over the banning of those guns. They said it deprived low income black folks of affordable personal protection, just another example of inequality
 
Woody said:
I've got a model 36. They really don't belong in the Saturday Night Special' group. Saturday Night Specials were literally called 'junk guns' because of their poor material and build quality...this of course meant they could be sold cheaply in comparison. Believe it or not, back in the day some folks were calling racism over the banning of those guns. They said it deprived low income black folks of affordable personal protection, just another example of inequality
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Uh, that was one of the NRA’s arguments against the implementation of “consumer safety” regulations on handguns here in Mass. Manufacturers now have to send guns to a third party testing lab for certification to our consumer safety regulations.

This actually is a case of a reasonable safety regulation being perverted. In our case the commonwealth requires a set of tests be performed on each model. A different model number means a whole set of tests, even if the model number changed because the color changed.
 
Woody said:
I've got a model 36. They really don't belong in the Saturday Night Special' group. Saturday Night Specials were literally called 'junk guns' because of their poor material and build quality...this of course meant they could be sold cheaply in comparison. Believe it or not, back in the day some folks were calling racism over the banning of those guns. They said it deprived low income black folks of affordable personal protection, just another example of inequality
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Before the internet, we grew up calling the j-frame .38 S&W The Saturday Night Special.
I have to correct myself also. Mine is a Chief's Special, not a mod 36.
 
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