So you got yourself COVID vaccine. Think you can’t get COVID? Think again.

Creekwood said:
I think now that vaccines will now be the next political badge of honor and virtue signaling. And I don't mean by getting it. I mean by those that want to stand up proud and say they are not getting it.


I did hear DJT say in his speech at CPAC that people should get vaccinated, in case some missed that.
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yea because he got the shot back in January!! Why didn’t he tell anyone? Because it would make all his anti-Vaxers mad! If he would have said something so many more people would want to take it.
 
MonacoMike said:
Do you realize these were "fast tracked" and did not go through the full clinical trials?
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No, I don't. "Fast-Tracking" is not the same as skipping trial steps. The vaccines went through the prescribed process, just with less bureaucracy external to the trials process. As has been said earlier, kudos to the Trump administration for setting this up.

MonacoMike said:
That the US government has given the manufacturers immunity from liability so if it kills people we the taxpayers are on the hook...
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This is not new or unique to covid. Should there be injury, claims will go to the Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program (CICP), a long-standing system to compensate for harm caused by medications and vaccines authorized in response to a pandemic and funded by the federal government. Once the vaccines are approved for children, claims will be handled by the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP), President Reagan's program for an ongoing mechanism to avoid floods of lawsuits. This program is funded by a $.75 fee paid by the vaccine manufacturers for every dose produced, so is self-sustaining with the cost burden not directly on the taxpayer. BTW, there is ongoing concern about CICP claims for harm caused by hydroxychloroquine use for covid, taxpayers will have to pay for that if claims are proved.
 
Unforeseen benefit:
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I'm 59 yrs got Covid my Mom 89 yrs. got Vaccine broke out in hive went to an Allergist for hives was told she had Covid asymptomatic. Now because she has Covid antibodies already and the vaccine overloaded her system. At this point I'm not getting the vaccine.
 
Creekwood said:
I think now that vaccines will now be the next political badge of honor and virtue signaling. And I don't mean by getting it. I mean by those that want to stand up proud and say they are not getting it.

I did hear DJT say in his speech at CPAC that people should get vaccinated, in case some missed that.
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A lot of folks probably don't need the covid vaccine, just like a lot of folks don't need a flu shot. But I guess that'd be to simple a way to put it amongst all the political and woke bullshit.
 
How come you can't call it the China virus, but you can call it the South African variant?
 
bobeast said:
I've been driving for 40+ years without having a wreck. I think I'll go start a thread railing against seat-belts.
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It's not that you want to wear a belt that some take issue with, it's about being forced to if you don't want to. The same thing goes for the rest of the Wuhan Virus issues going on now. If you want to wear a mask or take a vaccine, go for it. Your life, your choice. My life, my choice. I've noticed all the pro-choicers have been mysteriously silent through all this. What happened to "keep your laws off my body..."?
 
Needle ..you have a better chance. No needle... you have a worse chance

  • Heart. Imaging tests taken months after recovery from COVID-19 have shown lasting damage to the heart muscle, even in people who experienced only mild COVID-19symptoms. This may increase the risk of heart failure or other heart complications in the future.
  • Lungs. The type of pneumonia often associated with COVID-19 can cause long-standing damage to the tiny air sacs (alveoli) in the lungs. The resulting scar tissue can lead to long-term breathing problems.
  • Brain. Even in young people, COVID-19 can cause strokes, seizures and Guillain-Barre syndrome — a condition that causes temporary paralysis. COVID-19 may also increase the risk of developing Parkinson's disease and Alzheimer's disease.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases...th/coronavirus-long-term-effects/art-20490351
 
Blueone said:
Needle ..you have a better chance. No needle... you have a worse chance

  • Heart. Imaging tests taken months after recovery from COVID-19 have shown lasting damage to the heart muscle, even in people who experienced only mild COVID-19symptoms. This may increase the risk of heart failure or other heart complications in the future.
  • Lungs. The type of pneumonia often associated with COVID-19 can cause long-standing damage to the tiny air sacs (alveoli) in the lungs. The resulting scar tissue can lead to long-term breathing problems.
  • Brain. Even in young people, COVID-19 can cause strokes, seizures and Guillain-Barre syndrome — a condition that causes temporary paralysis. COVID-19 may also increase the risk of developing Parkinson's disease and Alzheimer's disease.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases...th/coronavirus-long-term-effects/art-20490351
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This is one of the only places I've seen from what you post where you and I disagree. I don't believe a majority of the so-called "research" and stats. When hospitals, pharmaceutical companies etc. have a financial incentive to code everything as the Wuhan Virus, you have zero chance of truth. The money and political trail for this makes me want to puke. Incidentally, I was a certified EMT so I could volunteer for my town's FD and Ambulance crew in Massachusetts and have worked at medical centers. I've been pretty heavily involved in health care for a good portion of my adult life.
 
HawkX66 said:
This is one of the only places I've seen from what you post where you and I disagree. I don't believe a majority of the so-called "research" and stats. When hospitals, pharmaceutical companies etc. have a financial incentive to code everything as the Wuhan Virus, you have zero chance of truth. The money and political trail for this makes me want to puke. Incidentally, I was a certified EMT so I could volunteer for my town's FD and Ambulance crew in Massachusetts and have worked at medical centers. I've been pretty heavily involved in health care for a good portion of my adult life.
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My point is the damage the China virus does to you long term... you can’t deny it. That is what you want to avoid.... hide, wear a mask, get a shot I don’t give a shit what you do ...just don’t get it
I have two daughters that are nurses and a daughter in law that’s an NP. You don’t have to tell me the bullshit and lies behind the scenes
 
HawkX66 said:
It's not that you want to wear a belt that some take issue with, it's about being forced to if you don't want to...
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Same thing goes for motorcycle helmets.

I’ll tell you to your face you’re a damn fool for not using safety gear but at the same time I WILL NOT tell you HAVE to.

Someone wants to risk their own life is no one else’s business if it poses no risk to anyone else.
 
I agree that the government shouldn’t have to make laws for seat belts, motorcycle helmets.
They are for your own protection, not others.
Having said that, wearing a mask is to protect others, not yours.
 
Its so refreshing to see this discussion being apolitical for a change. I just want this COVID BS to end and I really hope that everyone does whatever they can to make it go away as much as possible so fewer mutations don't have time to develop in the unvaccinated.

You may think you are healthy and don't live or work with anyone in an at risk group so you don't need a vaccine. But you are talking about the current variants that you don't think you need protection from. And you are right that you don't "need" to, but that is short term thinking. If too few people get vaccinated then it will still be floating around in the unvaccinated and mutating. And that could get very very bad. And those of you that don't get vaccinated are helping make that possible.

This virus could have been much worse if the virus was more deadly. The US was lucky it will only kill about 750,000 to 1 million Americans. If this was 5 times as deadly I think the numbers in the US would have been more than 5 times these numbers.

I will be getting the vaccine as soon as it is available to me. Its not about freedom or fear. Its just doing my part to end this as quickly as possible and limit the time for mutation.
 
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Blueone said:
My point is the damage the China virus does to you long term... you can’t deny it.
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This is where we disagree. You state things as indisputable facts when it comes to the virus. I dispute a great many of them. Is there a virus? Yes, I agree there is obviously a virus. Is it the boogey man you think it is for most people? I don't think so. Nobody can say what the long term affects are and they certainly can't say what the repercussions are from getting the shot. Like the flu, I believe there are varying scales of severity of symptoms. You don't shut down the country, cripple people with fear and ostracize groups that don't follow the masses like they have.
 
BEH said:
I agree that the government shouldn’t have to make laws for seat belts, motorcycle helmets.
They are for your own protection, not others.
Having said that, wearing a mask is to protect others, not yours.
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Wearing a mask to protect others is a fallacy. Even N95 masks do nothing to help with this. All the rule makers want you to do is cover your face. They don't care with what. Think about that. There is a lot more going on here than fighting a virus. My primary jobs for most of my life have been to protect you and others. Protecting you from the virus is not my job, it's yours. Just like with peanut allergies etc. If you are in a high risk group, you need to change your life, not everyone's life around you.
 
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