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Dock water pressure regulator cracked spraying water into stern storage cab at water hookup. Looks original. Impellers not that bad on 180 hrs PM service just done. Testing coolant quality yet to do.
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Anyone ever bent their railing on the bow and had to straighten it?

Long story short, A$$hole in cigarette boat blows by large group of anchored boats. The separator bumper was probably a little small. Boat tied along side (Hatteras) was a little taller and dinged rail inward from all the rocking and flexed flange at base of rail.

looking for ideas to straighten and prevent water under base of flange at deck mounting. Hopefully didn't crack hull and base of mount!!

I bought bigger bumpers for tandem moorings in the future!!!
 
RetiredSubGuy said:
Anyone ever bent their railing on the bow and had to straighten it?

Long story short, A$$hole in cigarette boat blows by large group of anchored boats. The separator bumper was probably a little small. Boat tied along side (Hatteras) was a little taller and dinged rail inward from all the rocking and flexed flange at base of rail.

looking for ideas to straighten and prevent water under base of flange at deck mounting. Hopefully didn't crack hull and base of mount!!

I bought bigger bumpers for tandem moorings in the future!!!
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I have never done it on a boat, but I do have some experience with the tubing on off road cars. Let's see a few pictures of the damage. If you are patient and go slow, you might be able to get it straight with a torch or heat gun with some means of pulling the rail outward with a long piece of angle iron along the railing and some ratchet straps. It will be tricky in the slip to keep the boat stationary and have a base to strap from.
I would also get a quote or two from a local pro before you attempt it.
 
Shoyrtt said:
I have never done it on a boat, but I do have some experience with the tubing on off road cars. Let's see a few pictures of the damage. If you are patient and go slow, you might be able to get it straight with a torch or heat gun with some means of pulling the rail outward with a long piece of angle iron along the railing and some ratchet straps. It will be tricky in the slip to keep the boat stationary and have a base to strap from.
I would also get a quote or two from a local pro before you attempt it.
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Bummer on the ding.

Have a slight bend in mine (previous owner). We have a guy down here that can do it without discoloration and gets the geometry right. On mine, the problem is that the top rail and the leg are both bent. Well beyond my capability to do without causing fatigue or discoloration. So, I had to find a guy (which I plan to work with over the winter months).
 
Last year June while on the hard, the yard had a guy who knew how to fix my bent/damaged rail, port forward quarter. It was bent and pulled down several inches with screws pulled out. I didn't see him fixing it but when finished, I couldn't tell it had ever been damaged. Tells me that finding the right guy is crucial and I was lucky, albeit expensive as I recall. Can't find how much just now but I'm going say $600.
 
Following.....mine's been slightly bent since I've owed the boat (11 years). I did try to use a hydro jack to bend it back up, but it needed more pressure that I was willing to exert fearing damaging the stanton base, pulling our screws, etc.
 
My friend Matt posted this picture today. He is having his boat waxed and detailed. No ladder in the picture, so I'm guessing the guy shimmied up the spoiler? Just my opinion, but I don't think the spoiler should have this much weight on it.
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Shoyrtt said:
My friend Matt posted this picture today. He is having his boat waxed and detailed. No ladder in the picture, so I'm guessing the guy shimmied up the spoiler? Just my opinion, but I don't think the spoiler should have this much weight on it.
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I was wondering about the weight myself.
 
Definitely not. Before I could stop a tech guy, two yrs ago on acquisition, he leaped from the bridge aft bench seat back, up onto the arch. He needed to check out my radar after installing a new Chartplotter. Not a little guy either. Probably weighed 200#. He leaped onto his stomach and pulled himself up to sit next to the radar. Later I noticed the SS arch support extending from the back of my hardtop structure, had pulled it's screwed fixture out of the arch. Not sure why two of these SS bars were originally added to the arch but perhaps served to stabilize the hardtop and arch as well. Obviously, the guy's weight, especially diving on top, created a bending stress to the arch. Cropped image shows these supports.
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Kelly Key, owner of "Oasis" posted these pictures on FB of her 450EB and what appears to be a leak coming from the base of her spoiler. My guess is she has water coming in from the top of her spoiler, maybe at the radar or other mounting location. I would find the entry location and get that sealed and then remove the caulking and wet vacuum and blow air in there to dry things out before resealing. Kevin's Q-tip trick is probably also a good idea to clean things up. I sent Kelly a link to join CSR so hopefully she can give us some more details.
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And the Q-tip trick
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The hole for the Q-tip is under here
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Shoyrtt said:
Kelly Key, owner of "Oasis" posted these pictures on FB of her 450EB and what appears to be a leak coming from the base of her spoiler. My guess is she has water coming in from the top of her spoiler, maybe at the radar or other mounting location. I would find the entry location and get that sealed and then remove the caulking and wet vacuum and blow air in there to dry things out before resealing. Kevin's Q-tip trick is probably also a good idea to clean things up. I sent Kelly a link to join CSR so hopefully she can give us some more details.
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And the Q-tip trick
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Think Larry saved me with the Qtip.

That is definitely a leak getting to a wood core and then draining out (I am overly familiar).
 
Forrestkk said:
Think Larry saved me with the Qtip.

That is definitely a leak getting to a wood core and then draining out (I am overly familiar).
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I give up, where is that scupper drain located in the Qtip picture?
 
Thanks! Gosh, I don't think I have one there under those wings. Perhaps so! Will look when arrive Tuesday onboard.
 
KellyK said:
I do the Q-tip trick every month and it stays clean. Not sure why it wouldn’t drain there. Probably need to caulk everything on the radar arch like recommended. Thank you everyone!
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Kelly,
I found some shotty workmanship on the top of my spoiler recently with large gaps around the base of radar mount. If the entry point or points for your water issue are not clear, you could remove this service panel and shine a light there (preferably at night) to see where your gaps are. Take a look at your antenna mount or mounts as a source of the water.

Also try and dry out the inside the best you can. Reversing the hose on your wet vac to blow into the exit point of the water/gunk where it leaked from the caulking might help.
Thank you again for joining the group!

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RetiredSubGuy said:
Anyone ever bent their railing on the bow and had to straighten it?

Long story short, A$$hole in cigarette boat blows by large group of anchored boats. The separator bumper was probably a little small. Boat tied along side (Hatteras) was a little taller and dinged rail inward from all the rocking and flexed flange at base of rail.

looking for ideas to straighten and prevent water under base of flange at deck mounting. Hopefully didn't crack hull and base of mount!!

I bought bigger bumpers for tandem moorings in the future!!!
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Shoyrtt said:
Kelly,
I found some shotty workmanship on the top of my spoiler recently with large gaps around the base of radar mount. If the entry point or points for your water issue are not clear, you could remove this service panel and shine a light there (preferably at night) to see where your gaps are. Take a look at your antenna mount or mounts as a source of the water.

Also try and dry out the inside the best you can. Reversing the hose on your wet vac to blow into the exit point of the water/gunk where it leaked from the caulking might help.
Thank you again for joining the group!

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