You might want to check the data. 92% of covid deaths are 55 years and older. Seems to me the younger generation can open up safely with proper precautions.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm
The truth about wearing a mask -finally
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There lies the problem you have said in this thread your against masks and won't wear one. If people would wear masks in public buildings and businesses and outside when social distancing can't be maintained then there would be no problem but the anti maskers can't be trusted.
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If you're asymptomatic and have no idea you had the virus - the only way you'd know you have it is if you were tested at just the right time. Just think how many are like that, who aren't included in the "positive covid case" numbers.
Given that, the death rate is next to nothing. But I get it. You're older with comorbidities. I'd be worried too, but I'd take the proper precautions and let others live. But that's no reason to let your grandkids miss being a kid, going to school, soccer games, e.t.c.
You can't be afraid of life....if you are, are you really alive?
Please identify where I have said in this thread I am "against masks and won't wear one." I'll save you the time -- said comments don't exist. I wear a surgical mask (not an underwear mask) when appropriate, such as when in a store or when needed at work. I don't wear it outside in the parking lot walking to and from my car or when I'm walking the dog. That doesn't mean I "trust the science" and think they are all that effective -- they are what they are. I don't think people should be arrested or otherwise harassed for not wearing one. I actually think people can be trusted to make appropriate decisions depending on circumstances. And if I am uncomfortable, I can choose to leave or go elsewhere. See, I control my own actions -- I can prevent myself from catching the covid.
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I dunno guys, I look at stuff like this and see a population that listens and responds.
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So we went through the summer months, people on the beaches and all that, we opened up a little, and went back to school some....test positivity and deaths are dropping steadily overall. Somebody is doing something right.
No one has said that we can get to '0' covid deaths, we won't ever. If the eventual vaccines are as effective as what we do for the regular flu that'd be great but it still means there'd be 10's of thousands of covid deaths each year. If it weren't for the bullshit politics complicating things maybe we'd be concentrating on the original plan.....keep the virus from overwhelming healthcare and deal with the hot spots when they pop up.
This kinda shits gotta stop....Trump murdered 200,000 people, Trumpster covidiots(not that I'm calling anyone an idiot
) can't be trusted...........Come on man.
The people want a chance to hold on to their livelihood, homes, jobs, businesses. They're given no credit for understanding the situation. Some folks liken this situation to a war, at least give the people a chance to fight, they're well aware that there will be casualties.
Nancy Pelosi's prayers aren't cuttin' it, we have to get this country opened up.
No one has said that we can get to '0' covid deaths, we won't ever. If the eventual vaccines are as effective as what we do for the regular flu that'd be great but it still means there'd be 10's of thousands of covid deaths each year. If it weren't for the bullshit politics complicating things maybe we'd be concentrating on the original plan.....keep the virus from overwhelming healthcare and deal with the hot spots when they pop up.
This kinda shits gotta stop....Trump murdered 200,000 people, Trumpster covidiots(not that I'm calling anyone an idiot
) can't be trusted...........Come on man.The people want a chance to hold on to their livelihood, homes, jobs, businesses. They're given no credit for understanding the situation. Some folks liken this situation to a war, at least give the people a chance to fight, they're well aware that there will be casualties.
Nancy Pelosi's prayers aren't cuttin' it, we have to get this country opened up.
Yet the MSM keeps yelling at me that "COVID CASES ARE SPIKING." They are such frauds.
Changing Age Distribution of the COVID-19 Pandemic — United States, May–August 2020
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6939e1.htm?s_cid=mm6939e1_w
One takeaway is that increased infection in the young ultimately led to increases in the more vulnerable older population after a couple week time lag.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6939e1.htm?s_cid=mm6939e1_w
One takeaway is that increased infection in the young ultimately led to increases in the more vulnerable older population after a couple week time lag.
I think it's too early to declare victory. Agree we seem to be in a real lull. The seasonality effect, which is to be expected, may result in vastly more infections over the next few months. The models, whose accuracy is demonstrably getting better, are predicting pretty grim numbers by November and worsening into December with deaths rising to above April peaks right around Christmas. Hopefully they are wrong and even if infections increase, the death toll won't. But I wouldn't bet on it at this point.
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A positive test is not a case! What would all of this look like if we did not test asymptomatic people?
The key stats have been, and will remain to be hospitalization, and death...and the survival rate remains over 95%
Focusing on tests, and positive results makes no sense. In any other year, the only people that would be tested are those who are sick. What if I got tested today, got exposed tomorrow (and actually caught COVID) and got my negative result the day after??? What purpose did that test serve?
The key stats have been, and will remain to be hospitalization, and death...and the survival rate remains over 95%
Focusing on tests, and positive results makes no sense. In any other year, the only people that would be tested are those who are sick. What if I got tested today, got exposed tomorrow (and actually caught COVID) and got my negative result the day after??? What purpose did that test serve?
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I agree, I don't think there will ever be victory but we will get to where we can live with it. I think it would pay big dividends if the constant barrage of negativity pumped out by the media would stop. Unfortunately we have far too many headline readers and they're being played. There's been a lot of effort from all put in, bottom to top, and progress made on this situation with no recognition. We all need to hear our contribution was worthwhile, from bottom to top.
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Well, given your situation, you should take precautions. Wear a mask, stay home as much as possible. But you need to do this every flu season. If you were completely healthy, without the listed comorbidities, what would be your thoughts on all of this. You are correct to be concerned for your well being, and you should do whatever it takes to keep you safe. And for the record, if I were similarly afflicted, I would also take the necessary precautions, but I would not expect the rest of the society, beyond my immediate family and my health care providers to do the same.
By the way, at the current death rate in the US (900/day) it would take almost 900 days to reach 1M deaths. That is if the rate stays constant. But everyday, doctors are learning how to treat the sick more effectively, so in all likelihood the death rate will continue to drop. Our medical facilities are not swamped, we have learned some habits that will help, like improved sanitation etc, but we are past the crisis mode where we can stop living in fear. We can handle this.
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I read an article the other day that said our testing has too high a sensitivity. It's picking up virus remnants and showing positives. I'll have to see if I can find that again.
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Precisely.
And in any other flu season, how many people were affected, but asymptomatic?
I feel sorry for you guys in California..... took us 7 months to take abusive powers from our governor in Michigan..... you should have started sooner With this radical Newsom
Talk about a contradicting tweet.....just proves these idiots are just spouting bullshit
Talk about a contradicting tweet.....just proves these idiots are just spouting bullshit
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Actually, by CDC and international standards a positive test is the only valid way to define a "confirmed" case. There can be suspected and probable cases as well depending on the presence of symptoms. Not sure why it's an issue with you, case definitions are merely a means to try to standardize data associated with a disease. What's your definition of a case and how do we extract yours existing and future data sets?
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I agree that a positive test might be a case, but where we disagree is on widespread testing. It's not helpful, and only fuels the widespread fear. How about we test those who present with symptoms? As mentioned earlier, what if someone is tested today, then while waiting for the results, gets infected, then a day later gets the negative result? What did that test prove? Nothing. The only reason for widespread testing, and over reporting the results is to inflame panic. If I get sick, and go to the doctor, during flu season, I would expect a test. That test would suggest a course of treatment to help me get better. And that would be a case. But if I get tested, just because, and I am asymptomatic, what does that prove? Nothing. That is the issue I have with the testing.
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That is beyond stupid.
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He's having drinks with buddies and laughing his ass off......hey guys, guess what I got them doing now
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Yet there will be people who will comply.....that is sad.
