The future of EVs? Maybe not so bad?

Carpediem44DB said:
I hope you in turn slowed to 30. You should have just slammed on your brakes and imagine the asshole finishing his journey with soiled trousers
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I get it and thought about it but then I'd be lowering myself to his level. It was over and I was moving on to the rest of my day. I'm sure that dweeb was just as miserable with me in front as behind. Wasn't worth a second thought.
 
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I saw some pencil neck geek on the morning news today asked to answer burning questions about whether or not the power grid can handle the EV charging loads. After a few minutes of word salad the gist of his BS was that $$$ are being "invested to shore up the grid blah blah blah. Then he said that there is software built in to the cars and chargers that actually increase the grid capacity in that cars that are fully charged will then, if not in use, distribute their power back to grid and the owner would be reimbursed for it. The implication is that EV owners will actually offset the cost of the vehicle over time by selling power back to the grid. No talk about getting complicated!
 
ttmott said:
I get it and thought about it but then I'd be lowering myself to his level. It was over and I was moving on to the rest of my day. I'm sure that dweeb was just as miserable with me in front as behind. Wasn't worth a second thought.
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"Your a good man Charlie Brown" I would actually have done the same. One thing about living on the crazy left coast, You see so much behavior similar to what you experienced that eventually you just shake your head and move along. Not worth the effort expended to stoop
Cheers
 
Carpediem44DB said:
Then he said that there is software built in to the cars and chargers that actually increase the grid capacity in that cars that are fully charged will then, if not in use will distribute their power back to grid and the owner would be reimbursed for it. The implication is that actually EV owners will actually offset the cost of the vehicle over time by selling power back to the grid. No talk about getting complicated!
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It sounds like a good idea, using the cars as storage to use during peak loads, but that'd require an additional inverter either in the cars or at their charge stations (like in your garage) to convert the battery's DC back to AC. Mo money. Wouldn't that be just great to jump in your car to head to work just to find that it'd been sucked low to help float the grid during the night? And you'd be reimbursed for it. That'd help pay for the cab...
 
So, whoever they interviewed was on to something but a bit off.


Tesla has done a few virtual power plants around the world. This is powered by their Tesla power wall since their cars to not have the hardware to back feed into the grid.
https://www.tesla.com/support/energy/powerwall/own/california-virtual-power-plant

they could do this with the cars, but they will need additional hardware. Ford could do this as well.

https://www.timesnownews.com/techno...virtual-power-plant-in-japan-article-93873844

Seems like this is setup in California, japan, Australia and soon Texas.
 
Funny thing about the concept. Your car would need to have a full charge to be helpful to the grid. So you would need to plug in when you get back from your commute and begin charging when solar energy is waning and rate tiers are at their highest. So your EV wont be ready to offer extra power until late at night when power demand is lower and the rates are lower. So you pay premium rates to charge and they pay you the lower rate for your stored power. There is alot to unpack with this concept.
 
Carpediem44DB said:
Funny thing about the concept. Your car would need to have a full charge to be helpful to the grid. So you would need to plug in when you get back from your commute and begin charging when solar energy is waning and rate tiers are at their highest. So your EV wont be ready to offer extra power until late at night when power demand is lower and the rates are lower. So you pay premium rates to charge and they pay you the lower rate for your stored power. There is alot to unpack with this concept.
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It doesn’t need to be at a full charge, those power walls are only about 15-20% of a Tesla pack and they are useful. They could only pull 10-30% from a Tesla EV battery pack and could still see a benefit. Most EV owners recharge every night to 90%, drive to work and return home with 70-80% charge, which would leave plenty of power to assist the grid. They could do this in the afternoon/evening and completely recharge over night. It could all be handled automatically by software. It’s a solid concept, but again, I don’t think the back feed hardware is in the cars to do this.
 
Thank God I have not fallen for this EV and power wall crap. I was quoted for solar last year. It would take me 27 years to recoup that investment. And I would need to start replacing panels at year 10.

I invested in diesel. And a generator instead.
 
SR400DB said:
Thank God I have not fallen for this EV and power wall crap. I was quoted for solar last year. It would take me 27 years to recoup that investment. And I would need to start replacing panels at year 10.

I invested in diesel. And a generator instead.
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Agreed. I had a 32 year break-even and that was if I didn't have to replace any panels during that period. Thinking about a Genrac natural gas whole house generator instead.
 
So no ICE vehicles sold new after 2035,
I am wondering if that will eventually apply to backup generators by then. There are already local bans on the sale of ICE lawn and garden equipment. Not to mention what fuel will cost to run them by then. In major cities around CA no new homes can be built with NG appliances currently.
 
Carpediem44DB said:
So no ICE vehicles sold new after 2035,
I am wondering if that will eventually apply to backup generators by then. There are already local bans on the sale of ICE lawn and garden equipment. Not to mention what fuel will cost to run them by then. In major cities around CA no new homes can be built with NG appliances currently.
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With all due respect, @Carpediem44DB you folks in California are F&^Ked. After the fire, after the earthquake, after the tsunami, and whatever natural disasters occur out there, I want people to show up with gasoline powered trucks to show up with gasoline powered chainsaws and generators. Not to mention the f*(Cks in SoCal are so screwed by the lack of water for every day living. It's great to live in a desert until you don't have any water. Doh!
 
Jaybeaux said:
With all due respect, @Carpediem44DB you folks in California are F&^Ked. After the fire, after the earthquake, after the tsunami, and whatever natural disasters occur out there, I want people to show up with gasoline powered trucks to show up with gasoline powered chainsaws and generators. Not to mention the f*(Cks in SoCal are so screwed by the lack of water for every day living. It's great to live in a desert until you don't have any water. Doh!
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Don’t I know it! Life has been too fucking good for too many people for way too long!!
 
jmauld said:
@Nater Potater i saw a h.d. Livewire today. That was a cool bike!
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They are very cool! I looked into those when they first came out on the market, but thirty grand for the base model? The other I looked at was the Zero brand of electric motorcycles. I was especially interested in their SR/F sportbike. 110HP, 140 lb/ft of torque, 124 mph top speed, 227 mile range with the larger battery, but weighs 500 pounds. Starting at $20k.
 
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