Death statistics, how about some meaningful numbers?

[El Capitan]

And who are you replying to El Capitan??

Why you Suzzie.

 

[Carpediem44DB]

If Trump opens economy too soon, we fail!!! The VIRUS says when we reopen!!!!

Its not a matter of when Trump opens any thing! He has not closed anything. He repeatedly says its up to the states and local authorities to offer specific guidance. The locals may look to Trump for guidance or someone to be the fall guy but he has not implemented Marshal Law. We fail only if individuals fail to learn and abide by common sense practices that have been employed and appear to be a large mitigating factor in flattening the curve of the infection rates.
As to starting a thread on a different topic Have at it. We all love see and post on all sorts of diverse topics.
Cheers

 

[Creekwood]

All of you that are saying this is overblown and not a big deal should be volunteering at the hospitals that are dealing with C19 patients. Help end it that way. It will be over faster if you all pitch in and relieve the front line health care workers.

 

[Carpediem44DB]

What a stupid thing to suggest that more first responders will help hasten the course of this virus pandemic. More people coming into contact will lengthen the situation. We are not sitting on the sidelines armchair quarterbacking. We are just sharing our thoughts among ourselves to kill some time.
Lighten up.

 

[CaptRonn]

All of you that are saying this is overblown and not a big deal should be volunteering at the hospitals that are dealing with C19 patients. Help end it that way. It will be over faster if you all pitch in and relieve the front line health care workers.

Many of us are helping people deal with their sudden loss of income and jobs.

So by the way, how are you pitching in and helping? Are you volunteering at a hospital?

 

[Golfman25]

All of you that are saying this is overblown and not a big deal should be volunteering at the hospitals that are dealing with C19 patients. Help end it that way. It will be over faster if you all pitch in and relieve the front line health care workers.

Uh. Our local hospitals are empty. Not much going on. National Media won’t tell you that.

 

[OllieC]

All of you that are saying this is overblown and not a big deal should be volunteering at the hospitals that are dealing with C19 patients. Help end it that way. It will be over faster if you all pitch in and relieve the front line health care workers.

If you’re saying everyone should get out, work and get on with their daily lives, with the exception of the most vulnerable, I completely agree.

 

[Creekwood]

Many of us are helping people deal with their sudden loss of income and jobs.

So by the way, how are you pitching in and helping? Are you volunteering at a hospital?

No, because I believe this is a serious dangerous illness. And I don’t want to endanger myself or those I care about. If others believe it is not, then they should not be worried about it. That’s the point.

 

[Creekwood]

If you’re saying everyone should get out, work and get on with their daily lives, with the exception of the most vulnerable, I completely agree.

That is exactly what I do not believe. You do, so go for it. And if you have time on your hands, why not help out at the local hospital? You won’t even need PPE, which will save some for others that do think they need it.

 

[Third Edition]

Flattening the curve. I take that to mean that the curve is spread out over time, primarily to avoid overloading the medical facilities. But the total number of cases & deaths is about the same. They are just spread out over time. Is that right?

 

[Creekwood]

What a stupid thing to suggest that more first responders will help hasten the course of this virus pandemic. More people coming into contact will lengthen the situation. We are not sitting on the sidelines armchair quarterbacking. We are just sharing our thoughts among ourselves to kill some time.
Lighten up.

I am not really suggesting that. I am making a sarcastic point that so many on this forum are saying it is overblown and the economy should be restarted now. So they must also think that the disease is not dangerous to them or those they care about. So they should have no fear about this virus and should get out there and do something positive with their confidence.

 

[Third Edition]

BTW, we have a work from home (WFH) business and employ 40-50 contractors. We are scrambling to keep them busy. It's interesting because many of them are either part time, or have a partner who is now out of a job. The number of our part-timers, or past contractors, coming to us for more work is unique. Traditionally, most of them wanted a more leisurely existence, hence they're in the WFH field. Now though, there is a sense of desperation to be active and make money. We're doing pretty good at keeping up with it.

 

[OllieC]

That is exactly what I do not believe. You do, so go for it. And if you have time on your hands, why not help out at the local hospital? You won’t even need PPE, which will save some for others that do think they need it.

My specialty is making sure you and your hospitals have the infrastructure to communicate over the internet. I’m not a nurse or doctor.
Nurse staff in Minneapolis and St Paul hours were just reduced. Maybe you and those reduced hourly nurses can put on a safety vest, grab a shovel, stand in a ditch and volunteer to install fiber optic cable in 20 degree weather today. After all, isn’t the internet critical right now for all? How would one Zoom?

 

[Third Edition]

It's also interesting that so many hospitals are struggling. Elective surgery is non-existent, accidents are way down. Some hospitals are laying off staff. An emergency room doctor was furloughed from his position at a NJ hospital. So now he's at his house down the street from us, and out on his boat most every day.

Our niece who is an emergency room doctor in Los Angeles is in a similar situation. She's been sent home because there's nothing for them to do. This in LA where they are traditionally jam packed at the ER.

 

[CaptRonn]

No, because I believe this is a serious dangerous illness. And I don’t want to endanger myself or those I care about. If others believe it is not, then they should not be worried about it. That’s the point.

Right now hospitals that are dealing with the virus don't need non medical types "helping out".

Nice to see the financially secure in the comforts of their homes telling those who have been financially devastated "not to worry about it".

 

[CaptRonn]

I am not really suggesting that. I am making a sarcastic point that so many on this forum are saying it is overblown and the economy should be restarted now. So they must also think that the disease is not dangerous to them or those they care about. So they should have no fear about this virus and should get out there and do something positive with their confidence.

Some of us are restricted by our employer from "getting out there and doing something positive". Believe me, I would rather get back to work.

Remember, all those sitting in their lofty government positions haven't missed a paycheck, and they are secure in their positions, so in their eyes it's easy to just keep everything the way it is while the "experts" continue to point to their failed and often flawed data. Right now everyone in congress and the executive branch should have their pay stopped until this is resolved. Then we'll see how fast they will get everything moving again.

 

[Third Edition]

Some of us are restricted by our employer from "getting out there and doing something positive". Believe me, I would rather get back to work.

Remember, all those sitting in their lofty government positions haven't missed a paycheck, and they are secure in their positions, so in their eyes it's easy to just keep everything the way it is while the "experts" continue to point to their failed and often flawed data. Right now everyone in congress and the executive branch should have their pay stopped until this is resolved. Then we'll see how fast they will get everything moving again.

Totally right, Capt. Those only inconvenienced by having to wear a mask, or have groceries delivered, but otherwise not feeling a financial pinch -- what reason do they have to want the economy to rev up again?

I'm 70. Most of my friends are of that age, too. They're also mostly quite well off financially and this shutdown is only an inconvenience to them. They have sufficient money, they don't work.

Among our younger relatives and friends, though, there is a feeling of growing unease. I sense that is more and more widespread. Those controlling the situation aren't impacted like these people, and aren't tuned into their anxiety -- they are out of touch. Seemingly mesmerized by the computer models that are apparently more and more inaccurate.

Happily some in the administration are lobbying for opening up the economy sooner than later. If flattening the curve is only postponing deaths, not eliminating them, what is the harm in opening up? Perhaps not for NYC which by some reports has half the total US death toll.

 

[Woody]

Some of us are restricted by our employer from "getting out there and doing something positive". Believe me, I would rather get back to work.

Remember, all those sitting in their lofty government positions haven't missed a paycheck, and they are secure in their positions, so in their eyes it's easy to just keep everything the way it is while the "experts" continue to point to their failed and often flawed data. Right now everyone in congress and the executive branch should have their pay stopped until this is resolved. Then we'll see how fast they will get everything moving again.

That would change some attitudes for sure.

 

[Carpediem44DB]

I am not really suggesting that. I am making a sarcastic point that so many on this forum are saying it is overblown and the economy should be restarted now. So they must also think that the disease is not dangerous to them or those they care about. So they should have no fear about this virus and should get out there and do something positive with their confidence.

Sarcasm noted and appreciated. Some of us merely point out that the economy did not have to be crashed over this out break. We think (we could be wrong but we will never know) that the same result of flattening the curve if people were not frightened by fantastic claims that 2.2 million of us would be killed by this thing and then later 100,000 to 240,000 would perish only to find out now that maybe it will actually be closer to 60,000 or about what we see on a bad flu year. Carefully crafted public distancing protocols and strict and serious early sequester of the most vulnerable may well have had a similar out come. More draconian rules in high density populations like NYC and cancelling large events made pretty good sense but painting the country with a broad brush of Stay at Home and closure of arbitrarily classified essential businesses will likely be seen as an unnecessary overreaction when we look back. Can we all agree that the media along with the Dems pushed this president to these measures largely to crash his economy legacy because they have failed at removing the "Orange Menace" from office through traditional political chicanery? BTW a lot of the mitigation efforts and emergency response has been made possible and faster by Trump's early efforts at cutting back regulations and trimming the fat from many of the bureaucracies involved.
Carpe Diem

 

[Blueone]

Uh. Our local hospitals are empty. Not much going on. National Media won’t tell you that.

My daughter was called off today for her shift...Corona patients are down to 34 and 16 of those on ventilators ….no elective surgery and no car accidents...and no heart attacks for some reason....heart attacks have dropped alot